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According to the CDC guidelines (2005) , patients with TB pleural effusion with concurrent unsuspected pulmonary lesions can be infectious. But, what about these two situations? 1) Patient
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Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 9/5/2012 8:02 AM BST
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According to the CDC guidelines (2005), patients with TB pleural effusion with concurrent unsuspected pulmonary lesions can be infectious. But, what about these two situations? 1) Patients with TB pleural effusions (suspected reactivation TB) who do not have any pulmonary lesions on a chest CT (usually they are associated with parenchymal lesions). Can they still be infectious?
2) Primary TB pleural effusions are considered to be due to rupture of subpleural caseous foci into the pleural space evoking a delayed hypersensitivity reaction (Chest 2006). Are these patients with caseous foci (likely Ghon's foci) infectious? |
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 9/5/2012 8:43 AM BST
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Approximately one third of patients with TB effusions will have underlying pulmonary TB. All patients with pleural TB should have sputum samples sent for culture if possible. I would agree a normal CT would make pulmonary TB unlikely, with the caveat that unless the effusion is drained the visualisation of the underlying lung will be poor. In Response to Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?: According to the CDC guidelines (2005) , patients with TB pleural effusion with concurrent unsuspected pulmonary lesions can be infectious. But, what about these two situations? 1) Patients with TB pleural effusions (suspected reactivation TB) who do not have any pulmonary lesions on a chest CT (usually they are associated with parenchymal lesions). Can they still be infectious? 2) Primary TB pleural effusions are considered to be due to rupture of subpleural caseous foci into the pleural space evoking a delayed hypersensitivity reaction ( Chest 2006 ). Are these patients with caseous foci (likely Ghon's foci) infectious? Posted by Doc KTP |
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/5/2012 11:17 AM BST
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/5/2012 11:29 AM BST
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In Response to Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?: As has been said, I think it comes down to whether there is undelying pulmonary TB, and whether the patient is productive of sputum, and whether than sputum is smear positive. I cannot remember the last time I saw a patient with isolated pleural TB.... Posted by DundeeChest It is extremely common in our part of the world (India)!
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/5/2012 4:18 PM BST
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/5/2012 5:41 PM BST
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I agree with Dr. Ashutosh that a TB pleural effusion usually implies good immunity. I have come across quite a few such patients, relatively healthy and complaining of only minimal symptoms. The pleural effusion is actually an immune response to the tuberculous antigens released into the pleural space. But, one must not forget that the antigens are most commonly released from foci in the underlying lung. Now, if there are such infectious foci in the lung, can't the patient be infectious? I agree that these foci might be quite small (may even be beyond the limits of our current diagnostic capabilities!) and may not be as infectious as a cavitary lesion. But still, will there be a risk (albeit small) of infection to the patient's contacts (if the patient is not on ATT or during the early part of ATT, when the patient is still infectious)?
This question came to my mind when one of my patients requested me to give a document stating that he is not infectious to others (He had to produce the document in his office to continue working!). I was initially thinking along the same lines of Dr. Ashutosh and cleared him as there was no obvious lung lesion in the CXR (I agree that the caveat which GrimDoc had mentioned, while interpreting such CXRs/CTs is important here!). After doing a bit of literary research, I feel that I should have advised him to take leave for 2-3 weeks (sufficient enough time for the ATT to render him non-infectious) as there is a possibility that he might be infectious. What is the right course of action in this situation? Another question is, "What would you do for the household contacts?" Would you screen them, considering the patient to be infectious or would you ignore them as the patient is non-infectious? (For household contacts of an infectious source, WHO guidelines advise to offer treatment (ATT) for symptomatic patients (adult or child) and INH preventive treatment (IPT) for asymptomatic children <6 year old. |
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/5/2012 10:43 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?: I agree with Dr. Ashutosh that a TB pleural effusion usually implies good immunity. I have come across quite a few such patients, relatively healthy and complaining of only minimal symptoms. The pleural effusion is actually an immune response to the tuberculous antigens released into the pleural space. But, one must not forget that the antigens are most commonly released from foci in the underlying lung. Now, if there are such infectious foci in the lung, can't the patient be infectious? I agree that these foci might be quite small (may even be beyond the limits of our current diagnostic capabilities!) and may not be as infectious as a cavitary lesion. But still, will there be a risk (albeit small) of infection to the patient's contacts (if the patient is not on ATT or during the early part of ATT, when the patient is still infectious)? This question came to my mind when one of my patients requested me to give a document stating that he is not infectious to others (He had to produce the document in his office to continue working!). I was initially thinking along the same lines of Dr. Ashutosh and cleared him as there was no obvious lung lesion in the CXR (I agree that the caveat which GrimDoc had mentioned, while interpreting such CXRs/CTs is important here!). After doing a bit of literary research, I feel that I should have advised him to take leave for 2-3 weeks (sufficient enough time for the ATT to render him non-infectious) as there is a possibility that he might be infectious. What is the right course of action in this situation? Another question is, "What would you do for the household contacts?" Would you screen them, considering the patient to be infectious or would you ignore them as the patient is non-infectious? (For household contacts of an infectious source, WHO guidelines advise to offer treatment (ATT) for symptomatic patients (adult or child) and INH preventive treatment (IPT) for asymptomatic children <6 year old. Posted by Doc KTP Many thanks Doc KPT for an excellent argument! But I always believe in sound & definitive aspects of the medicine & do not really accept the results of so called studies, most of which nowadays are being conducted with an only commercial point of view. |
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 15/5/2012 7:00 AM BST
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 10/6/2012 6:36 PM BST
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Re: Is a patient with tuberculous pleural effusion infectious?
posted at 7/9/2012 1:29 AM BST
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The yield of sputum cultures obtained by sputum induction is high in patients suspected of having pleural TB even in those cases with no pulmonary parenchymal abnormalities on the chest radiograph. (Conde et al, AJRCCM 2006)
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