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Rapists are not being convicted because Doctors are making errors when examining victims. Vital clues are being lost because large numbers of Doctors conducting the forensic examinations are not up t
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Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 1/9/2012 2:49 PM BST
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Rapists are not being convicted because Doctors are making errors when examining victims. Vital clues are being lost because large numbers of Doctors conducting the forensic examinations are not up to the job. Dr George Fernie (Chairman of the BMA Forensic medicine committee) says that "Rape Victims are being let down. If you don't have a doctor who knows what he is doing and does not conduct an effective examination then the case is almost certainly impossible to prosecute". There is a shortage of Forensic Medical Examiners (FME), formerly known as Police Surgeons who have traditionally been called by Police to examine individuals in custody, They will assess people who may have physical or mental health issues and decide if they are fit to be detained, fit to be interviewed or need hospitalisation. Currently a large number of Doctors from Locum agencies work as de facto FME's and lack the rigorous training required. But there is also a major shortage throughout the UK of Doctors available to attend to those in Police Custody - it is not a speciality that young Doctors know much about or will consider as a career option. The hours are very antisocial and the work carrries much legal responsibility. The rate of conviction for rape is about 58% but there is great concern that these represent only 6% of the total number of rapes reported to the Police. Many cases never get as far as a court hearing because the alleged victim cannot put themselves through the ordeal of a trial. Women Against Rape an organisation whose raison d'etre is to support alleged victims of rape or secual assault say they "have issues with the quality of evidence, and in some cases no evidence being presented at all. Also, the lack of training and experience means that FME's are exposed and vulnerable to Defence barristers when in court". The Gold Standard nowadays is the skill, training, knowledge and experience of Sexual Assault Examiners in Sexual Referral Centres. The examiner may be a highly trained and experienced Nurse or a Doctor specialising in Forensic examinations. But there are few such centres in the UK. I know the poll is a bit unusual but it is just for interest sake. |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 2:04 PM BST
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Just some additional points: Rape has the lowest conviction rate of any serious crime, only 1 in 13 women reporting rape to the Police will see the attacker convicted, only 30% of accused who plead not guilty will be convicted by a jury, research in Canada has shown that jurors who heard evidence of the womans past sex life were less likely to convict the defendant. Most cases never get to court. |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 3:33 PM BST
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Hello Kirkred. This what you are referring is a very important key factor. But there is also one. I have read in newspapers that a lot of women from uk have insurance for cases of rape. This means that if they get raped they will take money from the insurance ? I ask you because there were incidents where people who had insurance for fire , put intentionally fire on their shops to take money from the insurance. So may question is' the women who didn't see the '' attacker '' convicted in which percent of them had insurance for rape. I think this issue change a lot statistics. |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 4:49 PM BST
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I have never heard of any type of Insurance that a woman can take out against rape. I don't know where you read this but it is not accurate. I suspect you may have read about a 'Black Cab' driver who over a period of months raped 10 women. These women went to the High Court to claim damages (money/compensation) from the cab drivers motor insurance company. However the Judge found that the bodily injuries suffered by the women did not arise out of the use of cab drivers vehicle on a road or other place within the meaning of the relevant 1988 Act of Parliament. To be quite honest it surprises me greatly that you think women make up rape allegations for Insurance money. |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 4:58 PM BST
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Kirked, Perhaps in the UK it is 1 in 13 convictions. Here in the USA it is around 75% conviction rate for sex crimes, Sadly however, many Liberal District attorneys, and Whiney-Hiney Fuzzy judges let criminals off with a slap on the wrist. I always wonder what makes people love criminals? Werid Huh? DuaneF |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 5:17 PM BST
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No kirked. I am not speaking about this. I will give you a link . It is in Greek but you can transate it with the google translate. Check it. I would like to know your opinion on this. http://prismanews.gr/index.php/crete/item/16862-biasmos-h-asfalistikh-apozhmiwsh-polles-oi-kataggelies,-ligoi-oi-alh8inoi-biasmoi |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 5:58 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA): Kirked, Perhaps in the UK it is 1 in 13 convictions. Here in the USA it is around 75% conviction rate for sex crimes, Sadly however, many Liberal District attorneys, and Whiney-Hiney Fuzzy judges let criminals off with a slap on the wrist. I always wonder what makes people love criminals? Werid Huh? DuaneF Posted by DuaneF DuaneF... Why should i always disagree with you?... Think again. Is it possible the USA judges to be so competent and the Britons so incompetent ? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE . It is probably the factor of compensations in the game. And this changes the statistics . |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 6:59 PM BST
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Very interesting & socially important topic. The rapists are not convicted, both due to to lower reporting rate & unavailability of highly trained and experienced Nurse or a Doctor specialising in forensic examinations. A social awareness & responsibility by the medical personnel are the prime factors. The global picture is nearly the same, & needs to changed. |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 7:47 PM BST
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Your asking me why you disagree with me? Why not ask yourself? that is logical right? DuaneF In Response to Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA): In Response to Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA) : DuaneF... Why should i always disagree with you?... Think again. Is it possible the USA judges to be so competent and the Britons so incompetent ? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE . It is probably the factor of compensations in the game. And this changes the statistics . Posted by ikaros |
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Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA)
posted at 2/9/2012 8:12 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA): Your asking me why you disagree with me? Why not ask yourself? that is logical right? DuaneF In Response to Re: Rapists going free due to inexperienced Doctors (says BMA) : Posted by DuaneF I don;t know either. By the way , the links you gave on our last discussion was nice and thanks. |
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