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These few posts are from the discussion other day about the GMC/complaints against doctors.What do you think? Geoffrey W • 2 days 9 hours ago My last hospital appointment was a farce, the nurse'
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DOCTORS - how public sees us

posted at 20/9/2012 4:39 PM BST on bmj.com
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These few posts are from the discussion other day about the GMC/complaints against doctors.What do you think?



Geoffrey W
2 days 9 hours ago
My last hospital appointment was a farce, the nurse's parting words to me, regarding the doctor were, "We can't understand him either"
  • Malcolm L2 days 10 hours ago
    A few of the GPs at my local huge surgery are really very rude to you. No manners whatsoever. Your shoved in and out like a production line. I hate going there. They should vet doctors for manners and social skills. not just general medical practice.

  • JM2 days 9 hours ago
    Doctors never listen and the older you get the worse it gets they sit there whilst you talk chuck you a prescription for pain killers and show you the door !!!!!

    I am not sure that any of this is the real problem: doctors are not trained to see a person, they are trained to examine a symptom, give a pill and send the person away. Unfortunately that is also what a lot of people want them to do. But mostly it doesn't work.
    Health is tremendously complex and the psyche/social background etc etc play a huge role that nobody would like to see.
    On this forum, unfortunately, every problem is reduced to the British hatred of the 'foreigner' who should, by rights, still be our slave.

    These few posts are from the discussion other day about the GMC/complaints against doctors.

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 11:47 AM BST on bmj.com
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    With regards to my discussion (above) - the link to the public discussion is :

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/complaints-doctors-soar-23-022210237.html

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 12:23 PM BST on bmj.com
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    That has attracted and my attention too!
    Reading uk newspapers in a lot of articles is impressing that
    the most readers comments are usually pretty bad about
    the hospital services and especially doctors.
    You must do something about this. And the solution is not
    blaimimg each other neither declaring in public that doctors
    are incompetent .

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 12:23 PM BST on bmj.com
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    That has attracted and my attention too!
    Reading uk newspapers in a lot of articles is impressing that
    the most readers comments are usually pretty bad about
    the hospital services and especially doctors.
    You must do something about this. And the solution is not
    blaimimg each other neither declaring in public that doctors
    are incompetent .

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 2:44 PM BST on bmj.com
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    As has been pointed out elsewhere and here,  the number of complaints is a tiny, tiny frcation of the total of consultations.  Even if you multiply by a fcator to allow for those who are offended but do not complain, it is STILL a tiny fraction.

    I'd say, noted.
      Next matter!

    John

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 3:19 PM BST on bmj.com
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    I agree John D.

    Every year there are millions of interactions between Doctors and patients in a multiplicity of settings ranging from acute emergency environments to seeing a General Practitioner to having a session of behavioural counselling with a Psychiatrist. The great majority are professional, effective and both patient and Doctor are satisfied.  In a very small number patients are dissatisfied  and make complaints and in an even smaller number a Doctor is found incompetent or unprofessional.  In the UK high standards of medical care are generally routine - but noone is complacent about it.

    It is very important to keep a rational perspective when newspapers report increases in complaints etc.  I am not a Doctor so have no need to bang the drum for the profession, but the general populace of this country are extremely fortunate to have such comprehensive medical care delivered by people such as those on doc2doc who clearly try to give the best care they can but are not afraid to seek other views from Doctors of all stripes in many countries.



    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 3:31 PM BST on bmj.com
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    In Response to Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us:
    That has attracted and my attention too! Reading uk newspapers in a lot of articles is impressing that the most readers comments are usually pretty bad about the hospital services and especially doctors. You must do something about this. And the solution is not blaimimg each other neither declaring in public that doctors are incompetent .
    Posted by ikaros


    Is it to do with the "fast food"- like litigation culture in the UK, or what?

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 10:44 PM BST on bmj.com
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    In response to "Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us":
    In Response to Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us : Is it to do with the "fast food"- like litigation culture in the UK, or what?
    Posted by drmk


    I don' t know exactly why. I have not work in uk and so I can not tell for sure.
    Uk for the last centuries is a leader in sciences and in possibilities of organizing .
    On the other hand the number of '' bad comments '' on newspaper's articles about
    ncs is pritty big. You rarely can find somebody making a positive comment.
    So probably there is a problem at least in how the public perceive their services.
    I am sure that doctors are doing an excellent work . But the problem ramains.
    The culture of litigation is surely one factor as it is and for sexual assaults .
    There are a lot of people who would try to put somebody in jail If they had a '' compensation''
    in money . Another factor probably is that doctors blaimimg each other and people

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 11:01 PM BST on bmj.com
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    And people hearing this. Another factor could be the the 10 minutes examination.
    Maybe patients don't understand and they think that doctors don't care about them .
    In my first months of working i examined a couple of Germans ( husband and wife )
    and I was not very experienced the consultation lasted 20 minutes. The husband was
    positively impressed. He said me ; '' It is very nice here . You gave time and you made a very good examination
    , in Germany the consultation is never more than 5 minutes'' . So the colleague in Germany
    probably was doing a great job , working harder and examining more patients. But I took
    the positive comments.

    Re: DOCTORS - how public sees us

    posted at 21/9/2012 11:01 PM BST on bmj.com
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    And people hearing this. Another factor could be the the 10 minutes examination.
    Maybe patients don't understand and they think that doctors don't care about them .
    In my first months of working i examined a couple of Germans ( husband and wife )
    and I was not very experienced the consultation lasted 20 minutes. The husband was
    positively impressed. He said me ; '' It is very nice here . You gave time and you made a very good examination
    , in Germany the consultation is never more than 5 minutes'' . So the colleague in Germany
    probably was doing a great job , working harder and examining more patients. But I took
    the positive comments.
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