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Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?
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Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?
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There has been significant association between Helicobacter pylori and primary Open - Angle Glaucoma . This alleged association has caused a great deal of scientific discussion , as the establishment
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Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?

posted at 21/1/2012 11:37 PM GMT on bmj.com
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There has been significant association between Helicobacter pylori and primary Open - Angle Glaucoma
. This alleged association has caused a great deal of scientific discussion , as the establishment of such a correlation might lead to therapeutic applications for all for all Glaucoma patients;
Should patients with primary open glaucoma be screened for Helicobacter pylori ?

Re: Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?

posted at 23/1/2012 7:31 AM GMT on bmj.com
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I would refer the patient to an  iridologist if you can't pick this Ockham's razor; any a tea cup reader. 

Perhaps sitting close to the patient with a slit lamp may reveal their abnormal breath. If you can't pick it, get a dog. 

The science of breath analysis is a breath of fresh air into the musty old wardrobes of traditional medicine. 

Inspiro ergo sum. 


Re: Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?

posted at 23/1/2012 8:11 AM GMT on bmj.com
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About dogs, Odysseus, you are prbably familiar with the studies about dogs sniffing human urine that can tell which person has lung cancer.
We have someone at the Technion who works on an "artificial nose" to be able to smell the VOS (volatile substances) that are supposedly released by tumor cells.
Dog is man's best friend. In many ways.

Re: Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?

posted at 23/1/2012 10:03 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Yes, my Australian cattle dog licks my foot each morning and sniffs me. If he wags his tail I am well.  Thus I have a PET scan each morning. 

P.S. We don't have a cat. 

There was a cat who for years lived in a nursing home and which would sit on the bed of any patient who was going to die in the next few days even when apparently healthy. It happened hundreds of times. I think it was in the USA. I have not the reference but it is on the Net. That is a CAT scan. 

Re: Should we screen patients with primary Open-angle Glaucoma for Helicobacter pylori?

posted at 23/1/2012 7:25 PM GMT on bmj.com
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We read with interest the article by Nwokolo et al reporting raised serum ghrelin levels following Helicobacter pylori eradication (Gut 2003;52:637–40). There are some exceptions to the interpretation of the data that we would take.

The authors state that the increase in ghrelin levels seen in their study “lends support to the view that ghrelin could be involved in the long term regulation of body weight”.

There is no doubt that cure of H pylori increases plasma ghrelin in “healthy subjects”. The real questions are: whether plasma ghrelin concentrations are higher in H pylori negative individuals and, if so, whether the higher ghrelin concentrations cause weight gain, and whether any weight gained exacerbates gastro-oesophageal acid reflux enough to induce Barrett’s oesophagus and cancer. There are no satisfactory answers to these questions based on first class evidence but in our discussion, we considered some indirect evidence. Firstly, populations with a high prevalence of H pylori have a relatively high proportion of thin children and adults, and those with a low prevalence have a higher proportion of obese individuals; we acknowledge the numerous other confounding factors in our paper.

Secondly, Furuta et al showed that patients cured of H pylori gained weight.1 Lane et al, continuing their reporting of the large Bristol Helicobacter project, showed that at the end of six months, individuals who received treatment for H pylori increased their weight by 0.6 kg over and above a matched group that received placebo.2 Finally, in the only published study of its kind, infusion of ghrelin into healthy subjects was associated with increased appetite and food intake.3

In the presence of H pylori, abnormalities in the function of the gastric neuroendocrine cell population can be detected long before gastric atrophy occurs. “Inappropriate” hypergastrinaemia and disturbances in D cell function have been described; these are fully reversible, returning to normal soon after H pylori cure.4,5 Similarly, gastric atrophy which is irreversible in the short term is unlikely to be the mechanism that mediates hypo-ghrelinaemia in H pylori positive subjects, given that reversion to normal non-obese concentrations occurred 6–12 weeks after cure, which was the time course of our study. Also, the median age of our subjects was 36 years; the fact that they had normal gastrin concentrations and 24 hour intragastric acidity makes it unlikely that they had significant gastric atrophy.

In general, single factors rarely account for large epidemiological trends. We do not believe that everything can be explained by ghrelin; that would really be simplistic. However, we believe that H pylori positive subjects with low ghrelin may have decreased appetite and food intake and are thinner than their H pylori negative counterparts in the Western world. Their poor nutritional status would be exaggerated by coexisting dyspepsia due to peptic ulceration, concurrent infection, and poor diet. They would have relatively lower intragastric acidity. Taken together, these factors could protect these individuals from gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (GORD). Conversely, having normal ghrelin, a good appetite, and normal intragastric acidity could make GORD more likely, possibly leading to Barrett’s oesophagus and oesophageal adenocarcinoma.

We could now understand the positive correlation between ghrelin,  Helicobacter pylori , obesity ,Barrett`s  oesophagus, and oesophageal adenocarcinoma, it remains important to find out the association between  Helicobacter pylori and Chronic Glaucoma 

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