Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 9:05 AM BST
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In Response to Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?: Again, I urge you:stop this discussion. Two very long chains of discussions have brought no agreement about it. Enough was said already and I don't want to get into it again. Posted by yoram chaiter Yoram, clearly this is a topic of interest to a lot of people, just look at the number and quality of the posts. This site is for professional people to discuss any issue that they wish. If a topic gets few posts then it gradually dissappears. If it gets a lot of posts then clearly people have opinions and want to discuss it. If you do not wish to take part in any further discussion then you do not have to. It is not compulsory. As long as the discussion is about the topic and not ad hominem diatribe against individuals then there is no reason to stop it. Please also note that in my original post I specifically said that circumcision should only be done for medical reasons, I did not mention any religious issues apart from the example of the mohel circumcising children in the USA. |
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Re: When a baby boy bleeds to death in Oldham as the result of an Unnecessary Male Circumcision is time to think again............
posted at 9/6/2012 1:44 PM BST
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In response to "When a baby boy bleeds to death in Oldham as the result of an Unnecessary Male Circumcision is time to think again............": When a baby boy bleeds to death in Oldham as the result of an Unnecessary Male Circumcision is time to think again............ Posted by Ships Surgeon So that makes a case for improved regulation of the procedure surely. It was not only the circumcision that led to the death but clearly neglect in the aftercare process and recognising complications. Where is this report from anyway? |
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 1:53 PM BST
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In response to "Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?": In Response to Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated? : I agree with exactly what you have said. I note that one poster has suggested that we dont discuss this subject any further because there is such a difference of opinion. That is no reason to stop discussing the subject. It seems when a topic has aspects of religious faith then it becomes taboo to discuss. This topic is important and is a medical issue not a religious one. I have asked earlier what is the purpose of circumcision? If a religion says that it must be done then surely there must be a reason for it. What reason is it? How does it help ones faith? Posted by kirked There's a heck of lot of things society does without good reason: smoking, cutting down fir trees at Xmas, supporting west ham. Does that mean we should ban all of these things because we cannot see the merit in them? What about a little tolerance of diversity and individual choice? |
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 2:25 PM BST
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"What about a little tolerance of diversity and individual choice?" I think that's the very point some of us are trying to make Curiouser. Circumcision should be about the choice of the individual but, as things stand, countless numbers of children are having it done to them without having any choice in the matter. As I said previously, if parents say they wish to do this for genuine medical reasons because they believe that it will protect the child from infection or cancer that's one thing and, on that basis, I would support it in the way I support childhood vaccinations. But if children are being forced to undergo a surgical procedure for purely cosmetic, social, cultural or religious reasons then that is when I am much less comfortable with it, although I do understand the imperative others may still feel to have a non-consenting child circumcised. It's great that we live in a society where we can even have this discussion without reprisal but there are many countires where some of the views expressed here could, at the very least, land you with a heavy beating or some time in the slammer. That's very, very sad. |
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 2:35 PM BST
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Exactly Yoram, we had intense and a very long discussion on the topic. The doc2doc forum admin should be aware of this and link them here if users are not aware of them. It was such a discussion that the thread had to be stopped for anymore posting: [http://doc2doc.bmj.com/forums/bmj_doc2doc-feedback_termination-censorship-of-discussion-doc2doc_.0] Later, one of the editors from BMJ started it and we all agreed that was all well discussed topic! This is something doc2doc admin or moderator has to tell us. I would actually suggest to do little bit of search on it before starting discussion and start linking it if there is need for discussion. Redundancy in discussion with similar fashion and no conclusion cannot be worth.
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 4:23 PM BST
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I am very curious why people want to terminate this discussion. If it has been discussed before that is great. Time moves on, attitudes often change and people like to discuss issues that have contrasting views. I suspect that the reason for wanting to terminate the discussion is because it raises uncomfortable issues for people of certain faiths and they do not want it to be openly discussed. This is a medical issue and clearly people have views about it. I can see no reason to censor the topic because people with religious faith find it uncomfortable to have open discussions about topics that may tend to show up practices that put faith groups in uncomfortable positions. We live in a democracy, we can discuss any issues we wish and this topic has clearly generated great interest. I would be disgusted if this topic was terminated by moderators. I read the link above about the topic of circimcision in 2010. Again yoram you asked the topic to be stopped. Why? Why can a medical site where Doctors can voice their opinions not be allowed to discuss circumcision?. |
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 4:46 PM BST
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Agreed Kirked - any attempt to stop this discussion or any discussion (as opposed to censoring individual contributors who are breaking house rulses) is profoundly anti-democratic and the start of a very slippery slope. I have come across similar calls when it comes to discussing end of life issues where people say "we have discussed this enough, time to move on". How can it be "time to move on" if there are still those of us out there who wish to discuss it? Those who do not wish to discuss it don't need to take part and can simply ignore the discussion if they wish. So why feel the need to come on to the discussion just to tell everyone else to stop discussing it?! Freedom of speech - seriously folks, defend it with all your might. |
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 10:51 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?: In Response to Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated? : Drrathore, wouldn't it be better to wait till the child turns 18 (your first reference above suggests this). Does it say in the Koran or Bible that children should be cirumcised?. I don't see how religious observance alone can justify circumcision. Certainly the reference above states that there are definite health benefits for male circumcision. The Ultra orthodox Jew requires a mohal to perform the circumcision, this procedure as outlined above sounds utterly dreadful, it has the most horrible connotations. Posted by kirked Best to leave well alone, what one does not know, otherwise a lot will be stirred up which should not be. I won't bother defending something which is scientific, won't simply say it is only related to faith alone, or a practice of billions which makes it right. So please respect others if you want to be respected. Better choose non-controversial topics - especially if they might stir up more hatred in a alreading seething world, it is my advice only - well because otherwise there will be a lot of talk about "RIGHTS"! Note - there is a whole lot needing to be righted, in terms of disease prevention, diabetes, hypertension, cancers etc etc.
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Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?
posted at 9/6/2012 11:05 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Should circumcision of both sexes be outlawed unless medically indicated?: Here, I have the same opinion as skyesteve. A genital surgery done or although might have been performed as part of ritual procedure, cannot have legal support where the child is not able to give a valid consent. Posted by Dr. K. Ashutosh So do a lot of other things, rituals, you should know better.
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