ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST... DANGEROUS! SHOULD THIS FILM BE SHOWN TO THE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS-ACUTELY ILL?
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ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST... DANGEROUS! SHOULD THIS FILM BE SHOWN TO THE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS-ACUTELY ILL?
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What do you think? Should the film “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” be used as a rehab tool among acutely disturbed patients at our forensic psychiatry wards? &nbs
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ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST... DANGEROUS! SHOULD THIS FILM BE SHOWN TO THE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS-ACUTELY ILL?
posted at 2/6/2012 11:01 PM BST
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What do you think? Should the film “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” be used as a rehab tool among acutely disturbed patients at our forensic psychiatry wards? Well, things like this happen and it is not a joke, but reality in an acute forensic unit in England. Have you watched the film? If so - what do you think - is the above a sensible idea? I strongly object to this "rehab tool", but here we go - the managers won't listen to the doctors. Please,nlet me know your thoughts.Have your say. |
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Re: "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" USED AS A REHAB TOOL FOR THE ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 3/6/2012 1:25 AM BST
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I think this is ludicrous. Whose idea was to show this film to the acute forensic ward patients? Did they have a choice? I think you should report this at the Safeguarding Vulnerable Adults! Good Luck |
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Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 3/6/2012 12:08 PM BST
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silver: QUOTING YOU: I think this is ludicrous. Whose idea was to show this film to the acute forensic ward patients? Did they have a choice? I think you should report this at the Safeguarding Vulnerable Adults! Thanks for replying.You are the only one, responding to my psot, although it has been viewed 47 times now since I posted it this morning. I am just wondering why the rest keep quiet. When I became aware of the "event", I voiced my opinion, which was a strong objection. Again no one took it on board. You are right that this "idea" is madness, but who cares? I do not know what the managers aim to achieve. Having done various researches in this environment, my experience tells me that "challenging" patients' with that sort of "rehab tools" is more than dangerous. Especially when we talk acutely disturbed psychotic patinets and especially - in forensic settings. My academic and clinical experience tells me that patients could become more disturbed, than learning "lessons". Needless to say - upset, possibly - agressive, violent and even more- suicidal. The thing is that I am old enough to know this and to possess the experience of watching that sort of reaction, but the "authors" of the idea are obviously detached from the reality - either too unexperienced, or young, or even - not familiar with the content of this film...Or all above together. |
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Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 3/6/2012 1:11 PM BST
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In Response to SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS: What do you think? Should the film “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” be used as a rehab tool among acutely disturbed patients at our forensic psychiatry wards? Well, things like this happen and it is not a joke, but reality in an acute forensic unit in England . Have you watched the film? If so - what do you think - is the above a sensible idea? Have your say Posted by drmk Hi there! I spoted your post long ago and logged in to give you my opinion. I am currently on F2 and I know the film you are talking about. Are you sure your boss is okay , I mean are you sure they have watched the film prior to showing it to the patients. To me it sounds quite unprofessional to play with patients. In my country we have the proverb playing a cat and mouse game. I read your post to my family and they too are speechless. can I ask you was the film showed to the staff only or to both staff and patients. This film is good to be watched by staff, but why by acutely ill patients. I do not understand. Why was it chosen as a rehab tool? What other rehab tools are used in your hospital? I will be doing psychiatry next year and I am scared |
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Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 3/6/2012 4:19 PM BST
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Obviously someone is doing their Phd and dissertation on the expense of the patients. As I said yesterday it is a recipy for troubles. Keep posting what's going on there |
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Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 3/6/2012 6:20 PM BST
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Magpie: QUOTing you Are you sure your boss is okay Thanks. There is not health without mental health. As I said - most of the NHS managers, including mine, are overweight. Draw your conclusions. You said you are F2, you should know by now. |
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Re: "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" USED AS A REHAB TOOL FOR THE ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 4/6/2012 9:54 AM BST
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Silver: QUOTING YOU I think you should report this at the Safeguarding Vulnerable Adult Thanks. Just surf on the net: "Yet for many mental health professionals the book and film also had a negative effect. A 1983 study involving 146 university students found "considerable negative changes in attitude" towards people with mental health problems among those who had seen the film. " |
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Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 4/6/2012 11:05 AM BST
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In Response to Re: SHOULD THE FILM "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST" BE USED AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS: Magpie: QUOTing you Are you sure your boss is okay Thanks. There is not health without mental health. As I said - most of the NHS managers, including mine, are overweight. Draw your conclusions. You said you are F2, you should know by now. Posted by drmk Hi there, I agree that there is no health without mental health, hence the person, I mean the boss, whose idea was to show this film to your patients. It appears to me that the creators of this rehab tool are more cuckoo than the patients are. Why not trying to talk to seniours, shurely there is more senior person, who should look at this matter urgently. |
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Re: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST - SHOULD THIS FILM BE USED AS A "REHAB" TOOL AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 4/6/2012 11:07 AM BST
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drmk, If anyone did so as some form of "treatment" then extremely poor judgement, if I may say so. If only for the archaic and brutal images of ECT, let alone the attitude portrayed by those acting the roles of nursing staff in the film. OFOTCN was a film made in the 1970s, from a book published in the '60s about mental illness treatment in the '50s. How can a film about a reality that no longer exists help those whose grasp on reality has slipped? Quoting you, "reality in an acute forensic unit in England" Did you show it to patients? Is this the incident that got you into trouble? John |
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Re: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST - SHOULD THIS FILM BE USED AS A "REHAB" TOOL AMONG ACUTE FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY PATIENTS
posted at 4/6/2012 4:49 PM BST
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John , thanks (I left a message on your box) QUOTING YOU: "...a book published in the '60s about mental illness treatment in the '50s. How can a film about a reality that no longer exists help those whose grasp on reality has slipped? reality in an acute forensic unit in England " Did you show it to patients? Is this the incident that got you into trouble? Not only the film is largely out of date in terms of depicting hospital staff as manipulative or evil, but I feel tremendeously worried about the patients - they will become extremely disturbed and (touch wood) even suicidal. Not talking about incompliance with medication,violence and attempted absconsions which will follow. I think to show this film to acutely mentaly ill patients at an acute forensic ward in a now days England, is a madness, a recipy for trouble as it was said above . But the managers won't listen. They even do not ask for doctors' oppinion prior to implementing of such "rehab tools". As someone said (above) - deffinetely there are people there, doing their PhD on the patients expense. Sad! |
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