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If anyone knows how doctors feel, when in exclusion/suspension, please share with us. It is horrible. I've been through it. Frankly I do not wish it to happen to anyone. It is a very dar
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 12:03 PM BST
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Subsequent to the recent article in the BMJ reporting on the epidemiology of medical misfortune, the history and epidemiology of such misfortune should be rearched and written up as it will have many learning points for the medical and legal professions, health service managers and politicians.. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 12:33 PM BST
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drsamir77, you said it is not wise to registered to MDU or MDDUS after comiting negligence. I agree, however the discussion, which the orriginal poster started is about suspension and how to prevent suspension and exclusion. Or am I wrong? I too am foreign doctor, as I said earlier. Doctors in this country according to my understanding, get suspended for various reasons. It is harsh for you to say that negligence is always the case. Mind Harold Shipman was even not touched, whereas other doctors are asked to leave wards for standing for their patients against bed managers, etc. My point in my previous post was that it is too hard indeed to get to motions of all this nightmare - not being able to prevent suspension, get suspended and then ended up without any support, because at the time of the suspension the doctor did not have and did not know that he should have MDU. Once again my question - whose responsibility is to advise foreign doctors beforehand about all above. Good talking to you. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 12:44 PM BST
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It is horrible, isolating, demeaning and soul destroying especially when a non-existent case is made up against you. I 100% agree, there is no consistency in giving these sanctions, it all depends ............. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 1:16 PM BST
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Wafaa Nagiubn: QUOTING YOU It is horrible, isolating, demeaning and soul destroying especially when a non-existent case is made up against you. I 100% agree, there is no consistency in giving these sanctions, it all depends ............. So you have been through this? Thanks for sharing your experience. It is not just horrible, isolating, demeaning, but also demoralising. As regarding the consistency - there is a consistency, I am afraid. One of the consultants I've been working with, told me there are officially, by statistic 4 doctors reported to the gi-em-ci EVERY DAY! Four doctors! Three of them are statistically foreigners. All of them have been suspended prior to being reported. The outcomes later are "no case for answer", or illness. What do you say? |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 2:50 PM BST
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I agree mk, we had a doctor from outside the Uk and we all had to give our answers, when the investigators came in. Some of the questions were more than peculier, such as was that doctor's presentation at work connected to an illness. I refused taking partin this investigation as it was clear for me that there was a wich hunt going there, The thing is that this doctor, from Pakistan I remember, was not familiar with the local regulations such as asking the nursing staff to provide the necessary equipment to the clinical room. She refused to get involved in some kind of surgical treatment, as the ward (paliative geriatrics one) did not have anything on board. It is infuriating that for reasons like this she got suspended and that we all had to provide our opinion about her. Mind this was a female doctor in a man dominated ward. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 5/6/2012 9:46 PM BST
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dddonelly QUOTING you the history and epidemiology of such misfortune should be rearched and written Yes, I agree, but who cares? The industry of suspensions will still go and you and I and the rest will still have to face this horrible time. I do not wish it to happen to anyone of you. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 6/6/2012 12:36 PM BST
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ddddonnelly: QUOTEIng you: It is somewhat medieval in this age that doctors do this to each other..we are better at supporting patient support groups than each other; You'll find that in most cases the people who report doctors for suspension, are actually bed managers, unit manager, in other words - nurses. With all my respect to their job, I can't help but registration (once again) the old fashioned rivarly is still alive, jelaous and envy - too. If you are a young male/female doctor, new for the environment and especially from abroad, you are the MOTS VULNERABLE one. Be prepared. I do not wish it to happen to anyone of you. Answering SURB: Suspension is most of the time that the doctor is removed from the ward, but not always. There are occasions when doctors are on suspension and still do their duties ..and being watched... So be prepared for all this nighmare. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 6/6/2012 1:28 PM BST
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There is a salutory point here. Many doctors, when "crown immunity" came in, believed that they no longer needed to subscribe to a defense organisation such as medical protection society or medical defence union; or to a trade union. It is easy to believe that "it will never happen to me". It is really important that doctors maintain their defense body membership, and I would also strongly urge doctors to join the BMA. Employers often do not "play fair", and, once they've decided to pick on a doctor, will try everything they can - foul means as well as fair - to get rid of them. There is also the Doctors Support Group, set up to support doctors facing suspension or other disciplinary measures. |
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Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION
posted at 6/6/2012 3:07 PM BST
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In Response to Re: DOCTORS IN SUSPENSION/EXCLUSION: There is a salutory point here. Many doctors, when "crown immunity" came in, believed that they no longer needed to subscribe to a defense organisation such as medical protection society or medical defence union; or to a trade union. It is easy to believe that "it will never happen to me". It is really important that doctors maintain their defense body membership, and I would also strongly urge doctors to join the BMA. Employers often do not "play fair", and, once they've decided to pick on a doctor, will try everything they can - foul means as well as fair - to get rid of them. There is also the Doctors Support Group , set up to support doctors facing suspension or other disciplinary measures. Posted by penglish Hi there P English, you are an English doctor I assume from your nick name. With all my appreciation to you, here are we again with the question why the foreigh doctors are not advised to get registered to this type of organisations immeadetely after their doctor's registration. I am not being stingy or reluctant to pay my fees to who so ever, but I and perhaps other foreign doctors are not aware of this culture of litigation. I know lack of awareness is not an exuse, but I think it is cruel that foreign doctors are put in such a disadvanced situation, whreas the local Englsih doctors know all their rights and have all their membership signed. Only after reading the case of DRMK here, only after this myself and other are now more aware of what is going on. I do not want to be misunderstood here - but the main questions remains. How the suspension could be prevented, what do we have to do - apart from following the good medical practise guidances, NICE, NHS etc? Mind if you are a foreign doctor and work for the NHS, not for agencies, the NHS do not require insurance or all staff indemnity, etc membership. Whilst the membership at the doctor's regulator is a mandatrory one. I know it is mandatory for every motorist no matter English or foreigner - it is mandatory to get insured, so to go on the road, but why the foreign doctors are spared that sort of information, whereas the Englsih doctors know everything. I think we, foreign doctors are put in an unequal position and only after it is too late, only then - all sort of so called support turns up . For instance no one told me that I must be registered with mdu, or mdus, when I received my license. Do you see my point? |
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