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Our AMA has devised a way of keeping one's activity on certain sites for CPD (Continual Professional Development). We need this to be registered with the Death Eaters in Canberra.  As doc2doc has
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posted at 21/12/2011 2:48 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Our AMA has devised a way of keeping one's activity on certain sites for CPD (Continual Professional Development). We need this to be registered with the Death Eaters in Canberra. 

As doc2doc has lots of such, is there any way we can keep a log of our activities and time spent, number of words written etc? 

We get points for "reflective comments" which reminds me of Narcissis and navel gazing. 


Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 7:22 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Trouble is who is going to sort through the clinical contributions from the gossip and "off duty work"?

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 8:35 AM GMT on bmj.com
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How about you? 

A lot of gossip and chatter takes place at conferences and many of us learn more from this than in plenary sessions. Read the rheumatology blog fresh off the press and now falling into the abyss of electron dumps.

You underestimate gossip, chatter, the free change of ideas and the being transfixed by that glance across a crowded room, Madame. This is all the work of medicine and learning. 

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 8:52 AM GMT on bmj.com
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I'm more that happy to admit that I'm one for gossip and chatter - after all - its a symptom of having 2 X chromosomes!

I have used my Doc2Doc certificates to bump up my E-portfolio for my end of year assessments and have used links to my journal club articles to demonstrate that I am "keeping upto date with new developments and recent papers"!

I guess using Doc2Doc to count towards CPD points is not that dissimilar from what I'm already doing - But then again - I'm not the one who was campaigning to have my badges removed! Do I take it you may now wish to keep your hard earned platinum badge?!

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 9:12 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Yes, my platinum badge is what makes life worth living. WIthout that, I'd rather be eaten alive by Poseiden or killed by the fiery bolts of Apollo. 

I thought they had removed it. 

It this some sort of you-know-what...platinum envy?? Oh, Darktar. 

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 10:59 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Platnium envy - not at all - I'm nearly there myself. I'm all in favour of CPD via Doc2Doc - particularly given hte amount of time I spend on here!

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posted at 21/12/2011 1:08 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Platnium envy - not at all - I'm nearly there myself. I'm all in favour of CPD via Doc2Doc - particularly given hte amount of time I spend on here!
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We have an electonic diary for CPD called Portfoliio and we are getting doc2doc activity linked to it.
It should be ready soon- I will check now where it is in the scheme of things.You can see portfolio if you google BMJ portfoilio and it is free.

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posted at 21/12/2011 1:20 PM GMT on bmj.com
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This is something that we are interested at looking at developing.

How could doc2doc facilitate this?

It is true that some comments might be considered more valuable than others to the ones assessing your portfolio, so it would be good to know what criteria they are looking for and in what format? Separating the reflective comments from the mor ephemeral may be difficult but I am sure we can find a way to making sure your participation can go towards professional development, as well as being enjoyable.

We currently have monthly activity reports of the site, which we can download in an excel spreadsheet  but it is very hard to sift through and probably doesn't give you useful data you can put in a portfolio.

It would be really good to get a sense of what you need to demonstrate and how we might be able to help you capture your activity on doc2doc in a meaningful way. Any comments or ideas are more than welcome!

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 8:48 PM GMT on bmj.com
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I would have a button one presses saying MyCPD which means that this entry gets recorded. It could be down the bottom or an icon next to my platinum gong...just an idea. We need a cyber depository we can open of our CPD comments which ideally could be uploaded into our own State-Run Bureaucratic Knightmare CPD slops bucket. 

As this may be audited, I think we should show up top that this topic is CPD worthy. It may take some argie-bargie to decide this.

More journal articles which can be hyperlinked so we can read them and thus put in our "reflective comments" etc. This would formalise a journal club but they could come outside this. BMJ could feed us a sublimal article each day or so, in order for us to subliminally subscribe while in REM sleep. It may swamp doc2doc with CPD-hungry doctors. 

A topic worthy may also be "how should we treat ILD" as has been done. This was useful. 

Practice management stuff eg how do you audit results, where they end up, actioned etc and who files them and where eg paper and cyber. It could be on coping with shift work or sleep issues or depression in doctors...just thoughts.

Finally I would like to accrue CPD for the Canberra Death Eaters in an enjoyable way as possible. Let's do it.

My Dream:

My dream would be to have eg the BMJ have a conference in cyber reality and not in London. This is possible now with Skype. (I have other dreams decorum prevents my sharing).

I envisage in 20 to 50 years there will be few real conferences and that people will have them in virtual reality and in 3D. THe traditional conference organisers are still back in the days of steam. When one considers the total cost including ecological for each international meeting, the cost including lost wages, avgas, hotels, taxis, alcohol and call girls (just joking) is staggering. 

Aside: I regard the BMJ as the Spitfire in a time when biplanes were still regarded as more stable and manoevrable. Indeed the Italians sent a squadron of biplanes to help the Luftwaffe against England in the Battle of Britain and with predictable results. I only wish the Med J Aust was as visionary as Fighter Command and the BMJ. They are luddites. 

PS. Last year I was on the Education Committee of the RANZCP which met in Sydney but without call girls. MyCPD is its brain child and although it has its deficiencies still, it works. I don't think bean counters really understand that we learn and correct each hour with computers. We learn in regular bytes not gigabytes, conferences get too much loading and writing a paper which could take hundreds of hours, get too little. These are personal opinions. 

Re: CPD on doc2doc

posted at 21/12/2011 9:20 PM GMT on bmj.com
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I would have a button one presses saying MyCPD which means that this entry gets recorded. It could be down the bottom or an icon next to my platinum gong...just an idea. We need a cyber depository we can open of our CPD comments which ideally could be uploaded into our own State-Run Bureaucratic Knightmare CPD slops bucket.  As this may be audited, I think we should show up top that this topic is CPD worthy. It may take some argie-bargie to decide this. More journal articles which can be hyperlinked so we can read them and thus put in our "reflective comments" etc. This would formalise a journal club but they could come outside this.  A topic worthy may also be "how should we treat ILD" as has been done. This was useful.  Practice management stuff eg how do you audit results, where they end up, actioned etc and who files them and where eg paper and cyber. It could be on coping with shift work or sleep issues or depression in doctors...just thoughts. Finally I would like to accrue CPD for the Canberra Death Eaters in an enjoyable way as possible. Let's do it. My Dream: My dream would be to have eg the BMJ have a conference in cyber reality and not in London. This is possible now with Skype. (I have other dreams decorum prevents my sharing). I envisage in 20 to 50 years there will be few real conferences and that people will have them in virtual reality and in 3D. THe traditional conference organisers are still back in the days of steam. When one considers the total cost including ecological for each international meeting, the cost including lost wages, avgas, hotels, taxis, alcohol and call girls (just joking) is staggering.  Aside: I regard the BMJ as the Spitfire in a time when biplanes were still regarded as more stable and manoevrable. Indeed the Italians sent a squadron of biplanes to help the Luftwaffe against England in the Battle of Britain and with predictable results. I only wish the Med J Aust was as visionary as Fighter Command and the BMJ. They are luddites.  PS. Last year I was on the Education Committee of the RANZCP which met in Sydney but without call girls. MyCPD is its brain child and although it has its deficiencies still, it works. I don't think bean counters really understand that we learn and correct each hour with computers. We learn in regular bytes not gigabytes, conferences get to much loading and writing a paper which could take hundreds of hours, get too little. These are personal opinions. 
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As an example of  CPD at work: 

1. A few days ago I asked on doc2doc how do others treat xerostomia?

2. Yoram listed what he did. 

3. I then wrote an article on this subject (expanded) for my own website and blog.

4. I remembered a patient whose photo I had taken of her dry mouth and rotten teeth. 

5. I got her written permission to use this and talked to her by phone (she is about 1000 miles away).

6. I go to our pharmacy and asked them what they have of Yoram's list.

7. Pharmacy wrote back and listed Rx and talked more. She says the radiotherapy unit also use bicarb mouth washes.

8.  do a literature search and find a good article (review) in Australian Prescriber.

9. I learn there are more conditions that cause this. The article does not mention sarcoidosis. 

10. I amended my article.

11. Patient yesterday (with dry mouth from hell) coincidentally comes back to see me. I send her to pharmacy to talk more to pharmacy staff. 

12. She buys some more stuff she hasn't tried. They tell her some things suit some people better than others. I did ot know this. 

13. I amend the way I do things.

14. I get back a letter from rheumatologist who has just seen my patient (above in 11). He observes she is a mouth breather but does not have Sjogren's (as I had thought). 

15. I think how can we treat this. Think of CPAP patients. Recommend a chin strap at night.

16. Article nearly ready for my blog and website with photo. 

17. I am happy to link this to doc2doc or make it available.

This is CPD in action. 

Result: This makes me a better doctor, at least I think I am have more strings to my bow now and my patient with an incurable disease has a better quality of life. 

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