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A pilot scheme has found that one in four deaths are not recorded accurately, when compared to a patients' medical notes and case histories. The pilot is designed to prevent a repeat of Harold Shipman
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Why are 25% of deaths not being properly recorded?

posted at 13/8/2012 9:43 AM BST on bmj.com
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A pilot scheme has found that one in four deaths are not recorded accurately, when compared to a patients' medical notes and case histories. The pilot is designed to prevent a repeat of Harold Shipman who falsified the cause of death.

Dr Alan Fletcher, a consultant at Sheffield Teaching Hospitals, was appointed Britain’s first ' 'Medical Examiner' "said it was unlikely that doctors were deliberately falsifying information but warned that a lack of precision meant that death records might be hiding the true scale of some deadly diseases. It also means that families are often told the wrong cause of a loved-one’s death."

It was found that doctors often noted the immediate reason for a patient's death, rather than the cause. For example, as patient who had terminal cancer but who contracted pneumonia was listed as having died from pneumonia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9467128/One-in-four-deaths-not-properly-recorded.html

Is it something which is being taught in medical education? Why aren't the patients' medical notes or case histories being referred to in these cases?

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posted at 13/8/2012 10:42 AM BST on bmj.com
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The simple answer to you question is because we do not do enough post-mortem examinations.

In my view every case where the cause of death is not blindingly obvious should have a post-mortem. It's not good enough to say that it was probably an MI or a stroke or pneumonia based on little more than a hunch yet that's what the current system allows and tolerates.

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posted at 14/8/2012 11:09 PM BST on bmj.com
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In Response to Re: Why are 25% of deaths not being properly recorded?:
The simple answer to you question is because we do not do enough post-mortem examinations. In my view every case where the cause of death is not blindingly obvious should have a post-mortem. It's not good enough to say that it was probably an MI or a stroke or pneumonia based on little more than a hunch yet that's what the current system allows and tolerates.
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Fully agree with this. There is very little teaching on this at undergraduate level and virtually none after starting house jobs! There has a been a gradual loss of pathologists and a culture towards avoiding post-mortems permeates the system. Even Coroner's officers put pressure on juniors to write factitious certificates.... Only in the old fashioned Teaching Hospitals did students and juniors actually attend post-mortems and get a grilling from the grizzly professor. This useful process of education died out years ago.... The death certification form itself is rather archaic and encourages woolly thinking. Until the form is re-designed we will continue to have poor documentation of death.

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posted at 14/8/2012 11:44 PM BST on bmj.com
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I agree with respected Skyesteve in that the overall percentage of clinical autopsies is quite less which is a definitive way to diagnose the cause of deaths!

Re: Why are 25% of deaths not being properly recorded?

posted at 15/8/2012 5:53 AM BST on bmj.com
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Economic rationalism is the cause. We are now running a production line with doctors tightening screws and welding on the new bits on compliant production model people while nurse managers with clip boards and  bed pressures (the modern version of the pressure sore) and bean counters in their counting houses upstairs overlook the factory. Government runs the bean counters as they take count of the macro bean counting model and send in beans only once they have all been accounted for.

In Oz when I was a young doc, medical superintendents who were clinicians (usually senior surgeons or physicians in the Masons) once ran hospitals along with matron who knew how to keep bed pans shiny and linen presses neat. Local hospital boards were made up of local men and women who knew how to run a garage or a dry cleaning shop and had common sense but not Harvard BMA's or Masters in  Health Economics. Post-mortems were ordered by doctor as doctors knew best and people were less squeamish about death and boys had sling shots and played in creeks after school.

Death certificates were dreamt up by a medical bureaucrat with dyslexia. No one yet has mastered the art of answering the questions with the facts as we know them without playing medical Twister. Few of us had a decent tutorial in how to write one and logical replies are not allowed. Dare anyone who puts "smoking" or "asbestos"  "gluttony" " sex maniac" as the cause of death.

Pathology registrars are not so keen on getting their nose into a deep rough-edged thorax full of pus or struggling through 30 metres of small intestines looking for a perforation or using their Black and Decker on an aged cranium with a man with no teeth and looking like one of Leonardo's drawings.

We are all fully reliant on CT scans and MRI for the truth now. Anyhow, what does it matter to the hospital funding for DRG-based medicine where $ come from the quick and not the dead. What happens at the end of the conveyor belt in the big blue bins outside is just too much. We'd rather not know. We'll have a monthly D & C meeting and argue the toss there and this will be recorded to show the bean counters and hoop manufacturers in Canberra that we have jumped through their hoops and God's in his heaven and all's well with the world as Pippa passes.

P.S. Should we be using general anaesthesia when we do post-mortems?

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posted at 15/8/2012 10:09 AM BST on bmj.com
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When I were a lad, back at t'medical school, there were Post Mortems every day, we were taught on the specimens every day, and deaths were recorded accurately.

Now I am old(er) we do infrequent PMs, students look at 3D reconstructions of anatomy, and our junior doctors record most deaths in hospital as "Pneumonia".

How will we learn, if we do not seek the truth, and questions our failings?

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