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Another thing it's too late to prevent Aug 15th 2012, 14:17 by M.S. ·               A COUPLE of weeks ago, when noting   a series of slow catastrop
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Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 21/8/2012 9:29 PM BST on bmj.com
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Another thing it's too late to prevent

Aug 15th 2012, 14:17 by M.S.

·            A COUPLE of weeks ago, when noting a series of slow catastrophes it's probably too late for America to do anything about (gun control, climate change, etc), I forgot one: obesity. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) report that 35.7% of Americans are now obese, notes Aaron Carroll in a blog post pithily entitled "My God, we're obese". America has been the fattest country in the world since the start of the OECD's comparative statistics tables, and there's no reason to think that's changed, though Mexico is giving us a run for our money lately. The CDC report has an interesting breakdown by state, based on survey results, which we highlighted yesterday in our daily chart. (The survey methods were changed in 2011 and can't be compared with prior years; they're based on self-reports, so they come up with total obesity figures lower than the 35.7% figure above, which is based on standardised medical testing.) The states with the highest obesity rates are in the South and Midwest. The lowest obesity rates are in the west and north-east. States like Colorado, California, Massachussetts and New York have rates in the low 20s; states like Mississippi, Texas, Michigan and West Virginia have rates in the 30s.  The CDC estimates obesity-related health care costs $147 billion per year.

I very much doubt America is going to do anything, as a matter of public health policy, that has any appreciable effect on obesity rates in the next couple of decades. It's not that it's impossible for governments to hold down obesity; France, which had rapidly rising childhood obesity early this century, instituted an aggressive set of public-health interventions including school-based food and exercise shifts, nurse assessments of overweight kids, visits to families where overweight kids were identified, and so forth. Their childhood obesity rates stabilised at a fraction of America's. The problem isn't that it's not possible; rather, it's that America is incapable of doing it.  America's national governing ideology is based almost entirely on the assertion of negative rights, with a few exceptions for positive rights and public goods such as universal elementary education, national defence and highways. But it's become increasingly clear over the past decade that the country simply doesn't have the political vocabulary that would allow it to institute effective national programmes to improve eating and exercise habits or culture. A country that can't think of a vision of public life beyond freedom of individual choice, including the individual choice to watch TV and eat a Big Mac, is not going to be able to craft public policies that encourage people to exercise and eat right. We're the fattest country on earth because that's what our political philosophy leads to. We ought to incorporate that into the way we see ourselves; it's certainly the way other countries see us.  On the other hand, it's notable that states where the public has a somewhat broader conception of the public interest, as in the north-east and west, tend to have lower obesity rates. Perhaps federalism will allow some further progress on a state-by-state basis in those states whose political ideologies facilitate action on this front.

COMMENT:   He’s right you know.  The right to self-destruct and to destruct others is as American as apple pie.  Communitarianism in American is in the intensive care unit and may move to the hospice in November.  It took twenty years to convince young Americans that smoking was definitely not cool.  It took twenty years to get young Americans to always have a designated driver when out drinking and he or she now routinely get free non-alcoholic drinks at the bar.  We do not have twenty years to make the social changes to combat obesity.  If dressing up like Batman and killing a few dozen people in a movie theater does not initiate a discussion on gun control, taxing fast food by the calorie is a dead cause.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 21/8/2012 9:54 PM BST on bmj.com
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As a visitor to the USA, I note that your notion that it has to be big to be good is prevalent in food portions and drink volumes served. This idea has no traction in Zen,  Japanese culinary philosophy or French cuisine.

I also think the dietitians have done us a great disservice. I see so many patients who are morbidly obese who are told to have three pieces of fruit a day and whole grain bread as these  are good for you. They are OK if you have a BMI of 22 not 42..

There is a prevalent notion here that fruit is good for you and does not cause weight gain as it has no fat in it! I saw a patient yesterday one of whom had eaten 40 apples since last Thursday and another who was eating 12 pieces of fruit a day. I can leave their BMI to you imagination.

The sheer size of the USA in terms of numbers means from a legislative and philosophical point of view, new ideas are slow to permeate into the national psyche unlike small nations like the Scandinavian countries, Holland and Australia (21 million) which are small terriers which can adapt more rapidly to change. For example we had seat belts very early, compulsory motor bike and push-bike helmets, banned tobacco advertising 20 years ago and now plain cigarette packaging before many larger countries. We are still hooked on coal but that is for geological and economic reasons but we have a tax on carbon now.

Thus the lumbering giant of the USA with its slowness to act e.g with car size and its addiction to SUVs is unlikely to change tack as has been well outlined above. Australia is not far behind in the obesity race alas. Obesity is to me a matter which threatens national defence. I tell fat soldiers I see they are letting the team down and they make a bigger target. There are no fat Taliban and there were no fat Viet Kong and who won?

I think dietitians have been one of the most malignant forces in the obesity epidemic. I tell all my fat patients that the "Food Triangle" is OK for thin people and not for fat ones. Eat more from the top and less from the bottom.

It is no surprise that Dr Dukan is French. I have found his book revolutionary and effective for a large number of my non-diabetic patients. Diabetic Land is a land of no return.

The USA's constitution is as much a weakness as a strength. Does the pursuit of happiness = the pursuit of obesity?

P.S. In the Vietnam War when the US troops took Hamburger Hill after terrible losses on Thanksgiving Day, their helicopters brought in hot boxes  of turkey, cranberry sauce and cold boxes of ice cream to the tree-smashed desolate and bloody summit. I am sure the enemy had small servings of rice or noodles that day if at all as they travelled light and fast a bit like the Minute Men of old America.This was official film archives and not a movie. They forsook the hill the next day. To me this is eloquent as even the hill was a Hamburger (loss-related). It was a big hamburger at that. Our troops in Vietnam travelled light in the jungle but not as light as the enemy.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 22/8/2012 9:00 AM BST on bmj.com
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Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist


Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Not the  ....................... Economist!!!
(makes sign of the dollar, frantically and repeatedly until his finances disappear down a cost cutting black hole)

John

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 22/8/2012 11:28 AM BST on bmj.com
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There's a lot of energy in fruit - sometimes I manage most of the day on an apple, a banana and a pear.

Whenever the obesity question comes up, I have to fall back on thermodynamics - energy in minus energy out equals that which must be stored.  Eating all the fruit, and quinoa seeds in the world will make you lovely and vitaminaemic, but if you eat Odysseus' cart of apples since Thursday, you'll be fat and vitaminaemic.

Eat less, do more, lose weight.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 22/8/2012 11:52 AM BST on bmj.com
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My point is that there is this myth that because food contains no fat it is thin and thus good to eat even if you are fat.

If you eat a cart of apples you will not be able to store any more water soluble vitamins than if you ate one. it is not seal blubber or husky liver.

Fruit and simple sugars do not induce satiety. Therein lies the problem. I read this week there are receptors on the portal vein which bind to protein breakdown products presumably amino acids which induce satiety.

Six prawns are more filling than six apples although there are more calories in six apples.

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Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 23/8/2012 8:03 AM BST on bmj.com
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Sorry I can't help. I drive a VW. I'm not a cardiologist. I just look after lowly lungs.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 23/8/2012 9:36 AM BST on bmj.com
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Read Gary Taubes - Good calories, Bad Calories.

Anyway Dundee Chest is right - the solution for the "obesity epidemic" is not hard - eat less, eat better (i.e. watch the glycaemic index - oranges good, grapes bad) and do more exercise. Oh, and whilst you are at it - grow up and take some responsibility for yourself.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 23/8/2012 9:54 AM BST on bmj.com
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I agree but most patients I see don't grow up but grow out.

I have considered for some time whether obsessionals remain thinner than phlegmatics, slobs and other non-obsessionals speaking as a moderate obsessional. Some people's eating habits reflect the state of an adolescent bedroom. Is personality type related to obesity?

Over to you fellow thin obsessionals.

Re: Obesity: Another thing it's too late to prevent in America from the Economist

posted at 23/8/2012 10:58 AM BST on bmj.com
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As a fairly obsessional thin person, I supsect personality type has a lot to do with likelihood of being obese.  

My less-thin friends tend to be of the worrying type: anxiety-eating???

I've always been of the mind that food is nice, and exercise is fun, so do enough of both, and I'll probably be alright.


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