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Colleagues - I realise this is not strictly a medical discussion but I think it is an interesting international case.. Julian Assange who has allegations of rape hanging over him and is seeking refug
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Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 10:47 AM BST on bmj.com
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Colleagues - I realise this is not strictly a medical discussion but I think it is an interesting international case..

Julian Assange who has allegations of rape hanging over him and is seeking refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London,  to escape extradition to Sweden to face the charges. Ecuador look to be granting Assange politicial asylum. Why? Well, some think that these allegations have been fabricated because Assange is the leader of Wikileaks has been responsible for disseminating thousands of diplomatic cables to the world and now the powers that be want to get revenge. But if he's not guilty, why not face the charges? Or do you think he is worried it will be a stitch up?

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 11:27 AM BST on bmj.com
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Doth he fear Justitia be not blindfolded nor her scales be fine?

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 11:33 AM BST on bmj.com
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He has been accused of sexual assault/rape. The Swedish system seems to be sufficiently robust and of sufficient integrity to (1) not put someone under investigation unless they thought there was a proper case to answer and (2) not to stitch him up on the basis of false allegations. He should, as you say, face the charges and, if necessary, have his day in court and let justice take its course.
The idea that this is just a set up to get him into the situation where he can be extradited to the USA strikes me as a bit preposterous. As we are fond of saying on doc2doc "show me the evidence".
I should point out that I am not against the concept of whistle blowing like Wikileaks and I would be the first to object if he was to be forcibly extradited to the USA on the basis of Wikileaks but this isn't about that. He has been accused of sexual assault and should go through the due process.
Would be good for a legal view form Kirked...

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 12:23 PM BST on bmj.com
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He has spilled the beans. He should clean them up.

What he did was imprudent. It was folly. DId he not know the long arm of the law is long indeed. Once he would have been cast as a traitor. Did he put lives in danger. Our soldiers are fighting against a deadly foe.

As for his dalliances, face the music and his accusers.

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 12:56 PM BST on bmj.com
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Some other perspectives on this case


and his address to hundreds of supporters gathered outside the embassy on 19th Aug

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 3:29 PM BST on bmj.com
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I think it is a case of he thinks he can dish the dirt but not take any himself.

More than willing to try to expose the faults of others yet not take responsibility for his own.

I think Mr Assange needs to stop being a bit of a hypocrite, be a big boy and accept what he has been accused of. As a previous poster says- if they are not true then why not just face the charges?
I agree that yes there are plenty of people out to get him but still- you dont just come up with sexual assault charges randomly out of nowhere.

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 20/8/2012 10:23 PM BST on bmj.com
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He is accused of forced entry and taking what it not his to take; of women and of state.

He demonstrates behaviour which reminds me of that a two year old. Such a child takes something not his and hides behind mother's skirt when father comes to punish him. He is no Hercules but a one-eyed Polyphemos in his cave and he was blinded. Regardless of the outcome he will be an exile; a stranger in his own land.

Perhaps; Dicky Leaks and Wicked Leaks for this is what it is.

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 21/8/2012 2:20 AM BST on bmj.com
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Naomi Wolf argues about 8 problems with Swedens case against Assange here

 

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/

The summary is

 

Specifically, there are eight ways in which this transcript is unusual:

 

1) Police never pursue complaints in which there is no indication of lack of consent.

 

2) Police do not let two women report an accusation about one man together.

 

3) Police never take testimony from former boyfriends.

 

4) Prosecutors never let two alleged victims have the same lawyer.

 

5) A lawyer never typically takes on two alleged rape victims as clients.

 

6) A rape victim never uses a corporate attorney.

 

7) A rape victim is never encouraged to make any kind of contact with her assailant and she may never use police to compel her alleged assailant to take medical tests.

 

8) Police and prosecutors never leak police transcripts during an active investigation because they face punishment for doing so.

 

Read the detailed description here

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/02/eight-big-problems-with-the-case-against-assange-must-read-by-naomi-wolf/

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 21/8/2012 2:22 AM BST on bmj.com
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And some more from the Horses Mouth ( Wikileaks central)

Re: Should Ecuador give Julian Assange asylum?

posted at 21/8/2012 2:50 AM BST on bmj.com
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I think he fears what we call a "kangaroo court" in Australia; rough justice in Sweden. The law can be an ass and there may be more than one turkey on the bench. At worst he may face a lynching.

His barrister is well qualified. The best.

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