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In a letter to the Lancet, the authors claim that a link can be attributed between the NHS reforms and the pension reforms. They claim that these are both an attempt to undermine the NHS and that chan
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Are the pension reforms just another attempt to dismantle the NHS?

posted at 20/6/2012 6:38 PM BST on bmj.com
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In a letter to the Lancet, the authors claim that a link can be attributed between the NHS reforms and the pension reforms. They claim that these are both an attempt to undermine the NHS and that changes to pensions, pay and conditions will allow the private providers to offer doctors better deals, thus seeing the dismantlement of the NHS. Does anyone agree?

"The connection is in fact quite straightforward and patients and the public need to understand that their interests are at stake here. First, reducing the pay and pension rights of NHS workers will make it more attractive for private companies to take over services from the NHS under regulations for the transfer of undertakings for public employees. To quote Danny Alexander, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, “The new pensions will be substantially more affordable to alternative providers”.3 Second, worsening the pay and conditions within the NHS will make it less attractive as the default employer for doctors and other NHS staff, making transfer to the private sector more appealing. Third, many doctors faced with a substantial pay cut will seek to make up the reduction in income by either starting or increasing the amount of private work they do."

Re: Are the pension reforms just another attempt to dismantle the NHS?

posted at 20/6/2012 7:23 PM BST on bmj.com
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Yes and no. True Tories, at their core, do NOT believe in State-funded anything. They believe everyone has to make their own way in life and decide how to spend their own earnings. If you are less successful you are deemd lazy, feckless or both. Ridiculous I know but the essence of Tebbit's famous (but obnoxious) "on your bike" position in the early 1980s.
The pension reforms are first and foremost a tax on NHS workers to make up for a defecit in the national finances they did no create. So it's not about dismantling the NHS per se although it may well have the knock on effects alluded to above.
However, be in no doubt those of you who live south of the border, the Health and Social Care Bill for England and Wales is about dismantling the NHS and pushing more and more of it into private hands.
And, before you ask, the BMA are not having industrial action about that Bill because to do so would have been illegal.

Re: Are the pension reforms just another attempt to dismantle the NHS?

posted at 22/6/2012 5:18 PM BST on bmj.com
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Yes and no. True Tories, at their core, do NOT believe in State-funded anything. They believe everyone has to make their own way in life and decide how to spend their own earnings. If you are less successful you are deemd lazy, feckless or both. Ridiculous I know but the essence of Tebbit's famous (but obnoxious) "on your bike" position in the early 1980s. The pension reforms are first and foremost a tax on NHS workers to make up for a defecit in the national finances they did no create. So it's not about dismantling the NHS per se although it may well have the knock on effects alluded to above. However, be in no doubt those of you who live south of the border, the Health and Social Care Bill for England and Wales is about dismantling the NHS and pushing more and more of it into private hands. And, before you ask, the BMA are not having industrial action about that Bill because to do so would have been illegal.
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Indeed - this is obvious that the current coalition government is out to dismantle the NHS without an obvious alternative – regrettably the face of NHS is already changed; doctors do not even bother to examine patients or are they being trained like that or are they delibrately lazy?

Re: Are the pension reforms just another attempt to dismantle the NHS?

posted at 22/6/2012 6:43 PM BST on bmj.com
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No,  all things must be reformed,   pensions included,   not dismantled, just reformed.   DuaneF

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