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This week's New Scientist reports on work done under the aegis of the US National Institutes of Health  but in both Rotterdam and Wisconsin, in which varieties of H5N1 flu have been synthesised
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A pandemic H5N1 flu virus does exist - we made it.

posted at 17/1/2012 10:47 PM GMT on bmj.com
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This week's New Scientist reports on work done under the aegis of the US National Institutes of Health  but in both Rotterdam and Wisconsin, in which varieties of H5N1 flu have been synthesised that spread by water droplet between ferrets.  This is very serious news indeed, as if a coughing ferret can spread flu to another ferret, it is likely that humans could do it too.  This is critical, as the previous strains of bird flu could not spread between humans, and only with difficulty and by close contact from chicken to man.

It is serious news, because while the synthesised virus was made in a lab, no doubt after many permutations of the virus genome, the same experiment is going on out there, in chickens and wild birds. The wild experiment has less direction, but far, far more permutations are done every year.  So Nature is quite likely to come up with the jackpot - transmissible human bird flu.   I quote an expert from the article,  "1918 flu would look like nothing if this really got loose"   If the 1918 epidemic killed only 50 million people that was 3% of the world's population.

It is also serious news, because this event has sparked a debate on the justification of doing such work, and how it should be confined.  If the virus escaped from the lab, nothing could stop it infecting the whole world.  This is not idle, alarmist talk.   The SARS virus got out, and so did smallpox, before the only remaining samples were kept in the biological equivalent of a maximum security jail. 

The appropriate level of security for extremely dangerous pathogens is "BioSafety Level 4", but this is so expensive that to do so would confine H5N1 research to only a few labs i the world.     When Nature is likley to relase it anyway, do we need as many people working on it as possible?

See:  http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328473.400-we-need-to-fix-the-holey-biosafety-net.html

And vote.    What do you think we should do about H5N1 research?

Re: A pandemic H5N1 flu virus does exist - we made it.

posted at 18/1/2012 7:14 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Ferrets are banned in Australia. You can't even get a visa for one. However we have every other feral mammal from Europe and the Middle East. Wild pigs are a large potential vector if ferrets can swim here and sneeze on one. Birds from our country migrate to SIberia annually. Some come back on Limited Stay Visas. Our fruit bats migrate large distances too eg to SE Asia. We only get lethal Lissa and Hendra virus from them. We use sentinel chooks on our coast to monitor seroconversions from viral and other bugs which come under our northern radar. 

I suggest they go an dig up some more people buried in the Siberian permafrost; those that died of the 1919 bird flu pandemic and do more experiments on the virus. This could be supervised by a public servant with a white coat and clipboard. 

Re: A pandemic H5N1 flu virus does exist - we made it.

posted at 18/1/2012 2:07 PM GMT on bmj.com
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The question of censorship is an interesting one. Who gets to decide whether the research should be disseminated and for what purposes? Or should only parts of it be published? (Omitting methods?)

If it is disseminated, then it could help us prepare for any potential outbreak, but if I were to be cynical, I'd say pharma companies  stand to benefit by producing the magic antedote...

Someone is likely to steal or be given this research sooner or later, so maybe we should look into cures. Why we are in this situation in the first place is beyond me... why would someone want to create virus like this in the first place? Maybe Duane F has an answer?


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posted at 18/1/2012 5:14 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Closer we edge to the Feared Zombie Virus,  Not altogether Fiction,  much truth exists, and much fear,DuaneF

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