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The first day of the first week of my clinical school career was spent being taught a top to toe examination of the body.  I remember this very clearly as I was the "volunteer" who was examined i
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Top to toe examination

posted at 8/2/2012 12:31 PM GMT on bmj.com
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The first day of the first week of my clinical school career was spent being taught a top to toe examination of the body.  I remember this very clearly as I was the "volunteer" who was examined in front of 120 other students.  But, this meant as soon as I went to the wards I could do a full examination, of sorts, on anyone.

Our students these days get taught in systems, so our furst years can do a "full" CVS examination, but not a abdo exam until "next year".  I think this is a bit of a shame, really.

I'm not conivinced that the house officers feel fully confident in doing a rapid top to toe examination of a patient, even...

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 8/2/2012 8:27 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Missing the toe may be your Achilles Heel. 

Examine globally or die. 

I saw a man recently with sarcoidosis. His examination was normal. I then came to his feet; the most deformed tophaceous gout I have ever seen. 

Ask for shoes and socks off. You may pick up a melanoma on a toe nail or underfoot or something left field in a right handed man. 

Top to toe is an attitudinal state; not an examination. 

Re: Top to toe examination a contribution from a former colony

posted at 9/2/2012 5:14 PM GMT on bmj.com
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The decline in physical examination skills of US graduates has been documented and lamented for a number of years.  While there are many reasons proposed, the compression of time resulting from increased clinical demands and the availability of tests that will (at least in the young physicians’ minds) yield more accurate information are among the most prominent.  In their article in Yale Medicine the authors present a case in which a simple physical maneuver saved a young man from a potential lifetime of anticoagulation (http://yalemedicine.yale.edu/winter2009/features/feature/51079). 

 While there have been a number of suggestions on techniques to improve the teaching of clinical skills such as using video clips of correct techniques (http://www.stfm.org/fmhub/fm2008/July/Eugene471.pdf) perhaps the most effective document was the report by the AAMC, the body that accredits US medical schools that set our a set of recommendations as to the requirements for clinical skills’ teaching and evaluation.  This can be downloaded at https://www.aamc.org/download/130608/data/clinicalskills_oct09.qxd.pdf.pdf

These recommendations have now been incorporated into the US licensing examination that all physicians must pass in order to become licensed in any state in the US.  The examination how incorporates section 2-CS.  All candidates go to one of five centers where they are present 12 simulated patients.  They have 15 minutes each to take a history, do a physical examination, communicate their impressions with the simulated patient and write notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Medical_Licensing_Examination). They are scored on data gathering, physical examination, physician-patient communication and note writing (http://www.usmle.org/step-2-cs/#scoring ). 

 

 At Indiana University School of Medicine the curriculum is competency based and the students must progress in their competencies as they progress though medical school(http://medicine.iu.edu/ume/curriculum/competencies/).

 

A parallel major development in medical education in the US has been the establishment of simulation centers where clinical skills and diagnostic and therapeutic interventions can be taught and evaluated.  Indiana University has one of the largest and most comprehensive of such centers, which can be toured virtually at

http://iuhealth.org/health-professionals/physician-education/simulation-center/.

Every student at Indiana University must demonstrate his or her clinical skills with simulated patients based upon the USMLE 2-CS process in order to graduate.  Thus current US graduates know how to perform a physical examination.  Time will tell whether or not they continue to apply these skills as try progress trough their training and enter practice.

 

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 10/2/2012 11:24 AM GMT on bmj.com
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To get a toe in from another former colony, we are old fashioned and use physical examination well before a TOE. 

I once saw a man with severe emphysema who came complaining of severe dyspnoea. Luckily he had not seen a cardiologist as he almost certainly would have been sent off for some COAD Rx. 

I examined him as I am old fashioned. I heard a new loud early diastolic murmur. He had developed torrential aortic regurgitation. He had surgery the next day. There is a sequel which I will leave for later. I think he may have had a TOE prior to surgery just to make the story complete. 

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 10/2/2012 2:31 PM GMT on bmj.com
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History taking paramount, the patient is trying to tell you what is wrong, but examination essential. As a mecical student I did a 10 week elective in Chapel Hill N Carolina, mainly Obstetrics, Proff Hendricks, but I learnt a lot of other medicine , Family Practitioner Nurses, .Emergency Rooms stuff [I had not seen gunshot wounds in UK]. I was impressed at how hard and what long hours the American medical students worked . I was also impressed that they had to pass exams in physical examination as they progressed. We had been taught how to examine patients but in my time we did not have specific pass or fail examinations on physical examinations of patients untill finals. Time is one of the main pressures in UK General Practice. Certainly all my patients have their pulse[s] felt. Lots get weighed and BP check. Amount of examination depends on nature of complaint. Ill children always get their temperature measured. Chest and hearts get examined. Abdomens have to be exained. We have three female partners so a lot of the Gynae goes to them. So in General Practice, first listen, amplify and clarify symptoms and examine competently. Even if nothing new is found I thing a good examination is theraputic.

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 10/2/2012 2:37 PM GMT on bmj.com
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A thorough examination is a great therapeutic option.  Patients expect to have their chests sounded in my clinic, even when there's no need to do so (which is exeptionally rarely, I have to say).  

Many patients comment on how throrough the registrar was, or wasn't based on how much of an examination they did, not on how many tests they sent them for, or if they got the diagnosis right.

I am trying to push forward the importance of examination technique to our students.  The only way to do this, realistically, is to examine them on it, and to do that correctly, we need to get them to examine patients who actually have signs, not models, or stooges...

Onwards and upwards, eh?

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 10/2/2012 4:01 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Well here in my university (pinar del rio) and all others in Cuba, the 4th semester has a subject we call Inteoduction to Clinical Medicine (its actually physical examiniation of a normal patient), and the whole of the 5th semester is for physical examinationof a sick person, history taking and semiology. From this semester until graduation, every end of rotation exams includes a practical aspect with a patient (the student is supposed to conduct an interview, examine the patient, make a syndromic and nosological diagnosis, order neccesary complementary tests to confirm his diagnosis). Failure in the practical exams means you cant write the wriiten exams.

It makes the student develop interest in physical exams, and infact, one can get so much info from the physical exams. During clinical rotations, we have to practice this 4 hours everyday.

A good interview and physical exams gets most of the diagnosis done!

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 10/2/2012 7:57 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Physical examination is a mainstay in medicine.
Unfortunately nowadays many doctors seem to forget about it.I won't repeat the reasons for this sad situation, as some of you did mention them.
My experience over the years has shown me again and again how a full examination is important. There are so many examples of diseases we've discovered by physical examination.
There hasn't been a day that examination of apparently healthy recruits hasn't turned in at least a few important findings, previously unknown to the primary physician, since there are no periodic examinations at the primary clinics.

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 11/2/2012 5:18 AM GMT on bmj.com
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In Response to Re: Top to toe examination:
I totally agree with this view.
Unfortunately, in most medical schools of today (mine included) the students forget/ignore/disregard this and pay the price!
Lionel

Re: Top to toe examination

posted at 11/2/2012 10:07 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Once again, Critical Care preserves the great traditions of Good Medicine!
As anyone will know who has been through ATLS, the Secondary Survey is intended to fulfill all the objectives outlined above, in the search for unnoticed pathology, in this case trauma.

Secondary Survey is carried out once the Primary Survey has discovered life threatening injuries and they have been controlled.  Perhaps there is a more general lesson here, that once an initial diagnosis has been made from the physician's initial examination, then they may have more time to look the patient over from top to toe.

Sad to say, it is that time that is so rarely available, in clinic or ward, when battling to keep on top of constnat demand.

JOhn
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