Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
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Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
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We are living in a very fast era of technological advances. Long held ideals of science have been uprooted----------many traditional values have been erased forever. Doubt over how to liv
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 23/6/2012 4:40 PM BST
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On these we mostly agree. Religious conflicts are an anathema. But these were there unfortunately before, although I agree that during recent years it became worse. What I think we are discussing is what happened to humanity during recent times that made alienation so pronounced on personal level. And for that we need to look no furter than how important money and gadgets became,and how they are replacing simple human feelings of being there for each other. |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 23/6/2012 4:41 PM BST
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I agree with Yoram, and Yes Yoram Lawyers always take the offensive, and attempt to place you on the defensive in any discourse. The middle east had nothing to do with the post. Much the same as the USA had nothing to do with my posts, yet people slam me becuase I am from the United States. Odysseus is proud to be an Australian yet, no one slams him for his patriotism, yet mention one word about the USA, and people go into full hate mode! Pretty Bigoted and sad if you ask me. If the USA is so bad why do millions of people become citizens here? We really need to stick to topics here, not little childish, Hatred of countries or religion! Religion does not kill people just as guns do not kill people, people kill people, there are killers in Atheist circles, as well as religious circles, and people kill with cars as well, so too are cars bad? No, it is the intent of the person, not the item he possesses. DuaneF |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 23/6/2012 5:14 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?: In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past? : Yoram I pretty much agree with your sentiment. But just look around the world at the wars and killings - it is almost exclusively religious groups fighting over land. Perhaps if religious people really believed in peace and love thy neighbour we would be in a wonderful world. Posted by kirked Blaming religion is no excuse. The most brutal, inhumane and largest massacres , genocides and mass killing of human beings had NOTHING to do with the religion Some random Examples. There are dozens other The 1857 Massacre in New Delhi by the British World Wars I and II Droping of Nuclear Bombs on Japan The South African ethnic cleansing The Great African Massacre of 1994 ( 800,000 People massacred in two weeks NOT because of any reigious reason) Read the complete list here |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 23/6/2012 5:16 PM BST
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In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?: I agree with Yoram, and Yes Yoram Lawyers always take the offensive, and attempt to place you on the defensive in any discourse. The middle east had nothing to do with the post. Much the same as the USA had nothing to do with my posts, yet people slam me becuase I am from the United States. Odysseus is proud to be an Australian yet, no one slams him for his patriotism, yet mention one word about the USA, and people go into full hate mode! Pretty Bigoted and sad if you ask me. If the USA is so bad why do millions of people become citizens here? We really need to stick to topics here, not little childish, Hatred of countries or religion! Religion does not kill people just as guns do not kill people, people kill people, there are killers in Atheist circles, as well as religious circles, and people kill with cars as well, so too are cars bad? No, it is the intent of the person, not the item he possesses. DuaneF Posted by DuaneF Well said Duane. But after spending couple of months in the US last year i am convinced that the US needs more people ike you who interact with colleagues world wide rather than glued to the idiot box with CNN and Fox being their ONLY source of world views and news. Keep up the good work
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 23/6/2012 5:48 PM BST
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Interesting reading the above posts. It is very easy to be defensive when a topic relates to ones own way of life or ones country. No country is a virgin. Every country and its peoples have good and bad but we have to look at why people behave badly or why people feel alienated in their own society. Mention is made above about genocide in Africa (I am assuming it refers to Rwanda) - take a close look at why people were massacred in the most vile way and why nothing was done to help them. Mention is also made that blaming religion is no excuse. You are probably right, but you have to look at why people were/are fighting. I try to view the world as it is and see the real reason why people behave badly to others, why they kill. I also note above Duane that you are annoyed because you think people complain when you mention America. From experience of being in the USA many times and staying with a friend who is a Police Officer it is clear that many people there do not look far beyond the US borders and often know very little about other nations. I am told that only 6% of Americans have passports (I dont know if it is true but I was told by a US border Agent) - so by definition most do not travel beyond the USA except for military service etc. Please dont feel so offended about comments about America. I live in the UK and people constantly make jokes or comments about our 'Empire' history. I dont care, it is in the past and I can do nothing about it. Duane you always say that Lawyers are always on the offensive, I just regard myself as speaking my mind. If someone disaggrees with me then I will understand and take on board what they say (I may not agree but will listen). This site is for interesting discussion, it doesnt always have to be softly softly, we are adults and can debate issues strongly without been ad hominem. If we discuss bland topics and all agree about everything it wouldnt be a very interesting site. I hope that helps to understand my position. |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 24/6/2012 8:27 PM BST
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Family traditions counter alienation and confusion. They help us define who we are; they provide something steady, reliable and safe in a confusing world. Susan Lieberman |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 25/6/2012 5:19 AM BST
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Kirked, Three Points, #1 - I never said anything about being Softly, In Fact I am prior Military, Employed in the Straf Special Forces of US army FORSCOM, so nothing soft here buddy! #2 - I have travelled extensively so you speak not of me when referencing Americans. #3 - I know alot about other nations, and your whole Tirade was not genuine. Also I am not being Ad Hominum, there you go again, Now who is being soft? I understand there is a strong Bias here against Americans, no big deal, I say with Aplomb, There is life outside Englands Borders as well.... DuaneF In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?: Interesting reading the above posts. It is very easy to be defensive when a topic relates to ones own way of life or ones country. No country is a virgin. Every country and its peoples have good and bad but we have to look at why people behave badly or why people feel alienated in their own society. Mention is made above about genocide in Africa (I am assuming it refers to Rwanda) - take a close look at why people were massacred in the most vile way and why nothing was done to help them. Mention is also made that blaming religion is no excuse. You are probably right, but you have to look at why people were/are fighting. I try to view the world as it is and see the real reason why people behave badly to others, why they kill. I also note above Duane that you are annoyed because you think people complain when you mention America. From experience of being in the USA many times and staying with a friend who is a Police Officer it is clear that many people there do not look far beyond the US borders and often know very little about other nations. I am told that only 6% of Americans have passports (I dont know if it is true but I was told by a US border Agent) - so by definition most do not travel beyond the USA except for military service etc. Please dont feel so offended about comments about America. I live in the UK and people constantly make jokes or comments about our 'Empire' history. I dont care, it is in the past and I can do nothing about it. Duane you always say that Lawyers are always on the offensive, I just regard myself as speaking my mind. If someone disaggrees with me then I will understand and take on board what they say (I may not agree but will listen). This site is for interesting discussion, it doesnt always have to be softly softly, we are adults and can debate issues strongly without been ad hominem. If we discuss bland topics and all agree about everything it wouldnt be a very interesting site. I hope that helps to understand my position. Posted by kirked |
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 25/6/2012 10:56 AM BST
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In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?: I agree with Yoram, and Yes Yoram Lawyers always take the offensive, and attempt to place you on the defensive in any discourse. The middle east had nothing to do with the post. Much the same as the USA had nothing to do with my posts, yet people slam me becuase I am from the United States. Odysseus is proud to be an Australian yet, no one slams him for his patriotism, yet mention one word about the USA, and people go into full hate mode! Pretty Bigoted and sad if you ask me. If the USA is so bad why do millions of people become citizens here? We really need to stick to topics here, not little childish, Hatred of countries or religion! Religion does not kill people just as guns do not kill people, people kill people, there are killers in Atheist circles, as well as religious circles, and people kill with cars as well, so too are cars bad? No, it is the intent of the person, not the item he possesses. DuaneF Posted by DuaneF I am Australian but that was an accident of birth. I was nearly a US citizen but that is a long story. I think alienation is due to our lack of connection with one another and that is why we are on doc2doc. It is nice to disagree and share. I spat with Duane and others but I don't dislike them. It is how families function. I have made some lovely connections through families who fence. I think we all search for connection. As for being proud to be Australian, I am both a patriot and critic of my country. She is my mother and I am her son but I know her wonders and her foibles. But I still love her.
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Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?
posted at 25/6/2012 2:01 PM BST
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It's nice to hear that doc2doc is repairing a few bridges. Although we can't be a substitute for a 'real-life' community, I think this a pretty good surrogate. In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past?: In Response to Re: Do People feel more alienated today than in the past? : I am Australian but that was an accident of birth. I was nearly a US citizen but that is a long story. I think alienation is due to our lack of connection with one another and that is why we are on doc2doc. It is nice to disagree and share. I spat with Duane and others but I don't dislike them. It is how families function. I have made some lovely connections through families who fence. I think we all search for connection. As for being proud to be Australian, I am both a patriot and critic of my country. She is my mother and I am her son but I know her wonders and her foibles. But I still love her. Posted by Odysseus |
