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If there is a strike, which I doubt, and you were asked to go on strike, what would it be safe for you not to do? Most of us would feel bad at cancelling clinics but might resrtict ourselves to emerge
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Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 8/4/2012 5:43 PM BST on bmj.com
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Hi Duane - I would class a fire as an emergency and therefore expect firemen to go and, when it comes to emergencies, I expect nothing less of doctors. However, in the UK we have a much stronger history and tradition of appropriate (and, I will admit, sometimes inappropriate) industrial action. Doctors are not excluded from this in UK law (though I am sure our current right-of-centre, unethical Government would wish that we were). In the BMA (British Medical Association) we have an official, recognised trade union which is affiliated with the national TUC (Trades Union Congress) I believe.
What the Government here is doing is unilaterally tearing up an agreement that was agreed without conditions by both sides in 2008. They have done this in total bad faith whilst refusing to enter into anything amounting to real, meaningful negotiation.
Young doctors in particular (that is anyone under 50) will be hammered by these changes which will cost them each, over the course of their careers, hundreds of thousands of pounds and will see, in some cases, pension values falling by as much as 40%.
We have been left with no other option but to protest. To paraphrase an old saying (as, I believe, Abraham Lincoln once did) it is a sin to do nothing when protest is required - something I will probably have inscribed on my gravestone when that time comes.

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 9/4/2012 9:25 PM BST on bmj.com
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Hi Steve,
Very good points,  and I agree.   I feel your right, given the circumstances in the UK,   I often wish the USA would follow suit, since many of our police agencies are left with no options.   In the majority of the jobs I worked I had no Options to strike at all!   And Mind you,  this was even if we were outgunned,  outpowered, and undermanned,   We were just there to be targets, plain and simple.   I will be glad when the USA gets better policies,    DuaneF

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 10/4/2012 10:53 AM BST on bmj.com
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I think that as doctors, no one would ever consider any action that would put patients' lives at risk but as has been pointed out, not holding routine Out patient clinics, not completing death certificates (which was quite successful when used in ireland a few years ago over a different issue by juniors) etc... are feasible. running an emergency "bank holiday| service has been mentioned a lot, however you have to ask if this would indirectly put patients lives at risk a few days down the line as beds are likely to be blocked and if ward rounds are not conducted, patients are surely going to be overlooked.

My only issue over the argument we should never strike is that we are not only considering action for ourselves, but for our othe NHS colleagues, as this is an attack on the NHS pension, not just our pension. Nurses, porters etc.... all affected by the governments attack and I think that as a profession we have to be strong and stand up against the government. If we don't do this now, then they will keep on cutting our salaries etc... and those of far less well paid people for years to come

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 10/4/2012 12:39 PM BST on bmj.com
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Industrial action can be taken without resorting to 'strike'. 

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 13/4/2012 11:02 AM BST on bmj.com
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From the Chairman of the BMA:

The chances are you don’t remember doctors taking industrial action — the last time it happened was in 1975. The junior doctors who will be hit hardest by the Government’s changes to the NHS pension scheme hadn’t been born.

This gives you some idea of how reluctantly we have taken the step to ballot doctors on taking industrial action in a form that would not harm patients. It has taken a particularly intransigent government to drive us to this point.

In defending their plans to make NHS workers pay more and work longer, generally for a worse deal on retirement, ministers are keen to suggest that all public sector pension schemes are in the same parlous state and in need of significant reform. But these arguments cannot be levelled at the NHS pension scheme, which only recently has undergone a radical overhaul and, far from being in deficit, provides a positive cashflow of about £2 billion a year to the Treasury. In 2008, NHS staff agreed to large increases in contributions and to a system of tiering, which means that doctors already pay a greater proportion of their salary for similar pensions than other public sector workers.

Crucially, we also agreed to a higher pension age for entrants and to a cap on employer contributions — which means that the taxpayer will not pick up the bill if the cost of NHS pensions increases.

The NHS pension scheme is in sound health. Last year a Public Accounts Committee report concluded that the 2008 reforms were bringing substantial savings to taxpayers, with costs set to decrease further well into the future.

Yet the Government has torn up that deal and is asking all NHS staff, not only doctors, to accept a further increase in their pension age, eventually until at least 68, and to another massive increase in contributions. We have called on the Government to engage in meaningful talks. We are embarking on a ballot on industrial action only because it refuses to consider any change to its offer, which the medical profession has overwhelmingly rejected.

Under the form of action we are proposing, our overriding commitment would be to patient safety. All emergency care, or other care urgently needed, would be provided, with doctors attending their place of work as usual, where scheduled to do so. If someone urgently needed care, it would be provided. The difference would be that some services that could safely be postponed would not be undertaken on the day. In hospitals, this would mean some non-urgent procedures and outpatient appointments being postponed, but doctors would co-operate with employers to ensure that patients had as much notice as possible of any inconvenience. GP surgeries would remain open and fully staffed so they could see patients in need of urgent attention, but it would not be possible to book an advance appointment.

Doctors will always put the safety of their patients first. Even at this stage, industrial action remains a last resort and a step taken extremely reluctantly. If the Government does decide to reconsider seriously the unnecessary changes it is making, our door is very much open.

Dr Hamish Meldrum is chairman of the British Medical Association Council

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 10/5/2012 8:34 PM BST on bmj.com
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In Response to Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?:
Doctors should never go on strike,  just Like Police and Firefighters,  they serve the public trust,  and are relied upon to be professional.    DuaneF
Posted by DuaneF



Oh Mr Duane! As it´s evident., you are very good at your pockets!
If you lived in my Country, Argentina, you sure where not so romantic...
I send you a sincerely good greeting! 
JR Velich Emergency Phisician. BA Arg

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 10/5/2012 8:54 PM BST on bmj.com
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I do agree with Dr. DuaneF. We as medical professionals should not go for a strike for whatever the reasons be & evenif we go for a strike, we must manage at least the emergency services in the best interests to serve the humanity.

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 18/6/2012 4:53 PM BST on bmj.com
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Not signing death certificates would technically not impinge on patient safety (they're dead) but would cause disruption if carried out for a few days!

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 19/6/2012 1:51 PM BST on bmj.com
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i thinks doctors should always provide their serves and never say no to his patient

Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?

posted at 19/6/2012 3:01 PM BST on bmj.com
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In Response to Re: If doctors went on strike- what would it be safe for us to stop doing?:
I would not like to see Doctors on strike.  I am aware that pressures can be immense and political and management processes deeply frustrating but the only people to suffer if Doctors strike is patients.  Whether Doctors can 'work to rule' or refuse to do certain paperwork that is purely related to management rubbish I don't know  but there must be some way to put pressure on management and government that does not harm patients.  Quite what it is I am not qualified to know.  
Posted by kirked


How about going to work but wearing a black aram band as a sign of protest. That way, you get your message across and keep the public goodwill.
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