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posted at 29/10/2012 10:43 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Our next doc2doc interview is with David.Jones,  a fourth year medical student at St George's, University of London, and is studying on on the 6-year course for 'non-traditional' applicants.


doc2doc interviews... David.Jones

 

What made you want to study medicine?
From the age of 5-14 years I wanted to be a detective.  I loved the idea of finding clues and using expert knowledge to put them together; then experiencing the great "aha" moment once you've realised what's happened.  Then at the age of 14 I joined the RAF cadets and developed a real taste for the team-working and camaraderie found in the military.  This led me to join the Paramedic Science degree programme at Herfordshire Uni; but, whilst driving on "blues" was an unbeatable thrill, I became frustrated that my job ended at the hospital and I was never able to follow through and see my patients make a full recovery.  I 'took the plunge' and began phoning medical schools all over London 6 years ago, to ask if they would consider giving me a shot.  I was 22 years old, with only 2 A levels but a lot of pre-hospital and hospital work experience, and a DipHE in Health Science.  St. George's,  accepted me on the condition that I successfully complete a 1 year foundation programme prior to entry.  I'm a fourth year student now with an intercalated degree.  Through medicine I believe I can fulfill my desire to be a detective, team-player, and healer.

What specialties are you interested in?
Though I'm keeping an open mind I loved my placements in General Medicine and Geriatrics.  I've seen general medics on placement, and love the way they can have a more specialised area (e.g. Endocrine, Geriatrics) and yet encounter a broader range of conditions on call and on Acute Medical Units.

What’s been the most important lesson you've learnt as a medical student?
Don't let medicine take over your life: a) It isn't healthy, b) it doesn't make for a well-rounded human being, c) it's not fair on your loved ones, d) you'll perform better if you're happy anyway!

What has been your best moment at medical school?
Holding the hand of a demented, disorientated, and frightened elderly lady and seeing it calm her down. The best 'medicine' is the stuff people of all grades and trades can do.  I hope I don't forget that, or get too busy to utilise the therapeutic effect of appropriate touch.

And your worst?
Burning myself out completely after my second year from being over-competitive, working too hard and too long without breaks/holidays, convincing myself I was never good enough, and neglecting my family, my wife, and myself.

What advice would you give students considering applying to medical school?
Don't give up because your not privately schooled or don't have the traditional qualifications.

What’s been your favourite doc2doc discussion of all time?
'Whistleblowing - worthwhile or the road to ruin?'  I agree with recent Student BMJ articles - what medicine needs is strong leaders... but strong leaders are men and women willing to stick their head over the parapet - and we all know that some of them end up paying a huge and unfair price for standing for truth and justice. These 'strong leaders' must also be courageous.

What do you do with your time when you when not studying?
Study theology, blog, read, watch comedy, listen to funk and blues, hiking and biking.


Re: doc2doc interviews...David.Jones

posted at 19/11/2012 12:05 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Hi David and hope we bump into each other at some point soon in real life at St George's! Hope you're coming round to your psych attachment soon... Yours is a story of how great and inclusive St George's is, and how that means we get the best medical students and produce the best doctors (not that I'm at all biased!) Smile

PS Come and do psychiatry - it's definitely where you get to be a detective. I always feel very clever when everyone is muddled about why a patient for example has medically unexplained physical symptoms, and I figure out the psychosocial background that may be contributing. Not that there is anything particularly magic about it - it's mostly have enough time to properly listen to someone. But is does give you that 'Aha' moment!


Re: doc2doc interviews...David.Jones

posted at 21/11/2012 4:31 PM GMT on bmj.com
JJA
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Very interesting read, David! Such a unique background!

I think its fair to say that most medical students/doctors get little 'real' experience before applying for medicine and indeed before their first clinical attachment in a hospital or general practice setting. A few days or weeks shadowing in the hospital or a general practice setting with little idea what is going on is not ideal. How vital do you think this front line experience was? Do you think that other would-be medical students should be exposed more to front line medicine before applying?


JJA.

Re: doc2doc interviews...David.Jones

posted at 22/11/2012 8:30 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Thanks for the lovely comments everyone.

@JJA  For me my front line experience has been absolutely vital.  Firstly, it meant I felt comfortable in clinical environments prior to starting med school. This was a huge advantage as I didn't have to go through the 'standing-around-awkwardly-on-wards' phase that many students go through.  I got stuck in from day one, and I'm really greatful paramedicine gave me this confidence.  Secondly, I already knew the basic structure of a clinical history and systems examination - again - huge advantage.  This meant that whilst traditional entrants panicked about these things I could concentrate (panic) on building up my clinical science knowledge. (This really links in with alicelomax's point about different entrants having differing strengths and weaknesses). 

Finally, I knew the basic approach handling an emergency.  One thing that horrified me about Medicine was that we didn't learn the basic ABC approach to handling a patient, until our third year!  It seems to me that we were taught more complex medicine before the basics.

I really would recommend that potential students get clinical exposure prior to medicine.  I didn't mention in the interview, but I've also worked as a HCA through George's staff bank, whilst at med school.  I have to say that nursing in particular has transformed my attitude/heart for medicine.  Cleaning up a patient who's soiled their bed may not be the most glamorous work - but it builds a deep rapport (not to mention the dramatic effect it can have on a human life).  For me it's not about 'nursing or medicine' but 'nursing and medicine' - the doctors I admire have a wonderful ability to nurse their patients through their encounters with them - their patients feel better having simply been around them.

Re: doc2doc interviews...David.Jones

posted at 22/11/2012 8:44 PM GMT on bmj.com
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@alicelomax  Leading on from my last comment.... This is what I really like about Psche:  Psychiatry is the specialty that has the one thing no other specialty has... time!  I definitely respect it as a specialty.  (I didn't in the past to as I formerly bought into the stigma). 

Psche was my last 6-week attachment and I loved it!  I met some amazing people who I got to know really well in a very short time.  I'm so thankful that within medicine we have people who have the time to delve deeper into patient's lives.  I'm not sure how you feel, but sometimes I think time may be the most powerful medicine Psychiatry has!

Thanks for your comment and I do hope I meet you :-)

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