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And, even though US news organizations are widely respected around the world, the Brits are peeling away American readers. According to data from research firm comScore, the tabloid Daily Mail's Mail
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 9/8/2012 9:04 PM BST
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In a civilised country, like the US, fathers don't have the option if thier son goes to war or not, unless they connive at breaking the law. Of course, in countries far away of which we know little ............. " Snipers had killed two young rebels from their unit in the late afternoon and the rush to bury them before sunset seemed to have numbed the men. The effect on one of the dead men's fathers was more profound. He stood trembling and bewildered later in the evening as he received condolences in a hastily erected mourning tent. A tear ran down his face as lines of wellwishers reached for his hand. Just before noon he had spoken to his 24-year-old son, Ala'a Tamur, by phone in between battles on Salahedin's main frontline. Just before dinner he buried him. "Be proud you have a martyr, uncle," one of the men's colleagues told the boy's bereft father. The 73-year-old stared and nodded.
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 10/8/2012 5:15 AM BST
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Kirked, Grossly offensive, sure I will buy that one, but potentially Libelous, Get real! this is a forum post, opinions can never be taken as Libelous, nor should your ad hominum attempt to frighten me into submission be taken as anything but laughable! You attack Oreilly and Glenn beck with impunity, and yet you probably never even talked with them? Now as to viewers of his show not being able to think for themselves that is Libelous, lucky I am not a viewer, I watch all news and interpret for myself, hence I allow my education not my emotions to rule my thought processes, you should try it sometime. DuaneF |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 10/8/2012 10:26 AM BST
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this is a forum post, opinions can never be taken as Libelous Hi Duane - Kirked can probably give the "official" line but I think you may be wrong with this statement and you should check UK libel laws  Oh, and I don't think Kirked was attacking messrs O'Reilly and Beck "with impunity" - he was merely having a go at what they themselves have apparently said in public (though having not seen it myself I couldn't possibly comment). And it's also not possible (I think) to libel a generic group such as "viewers" (though again Kirked will be able to provide the official line). So you can accuse "politicians" of lining their own pockets or you can accuse "bankers" of lies and theft or you can accuse "viewers" of not thinking and that's okay. It's only when you start to impune a named or clearly idenfiiable individual's or instituion's reputation that you run into problems with libel. As for the Daily Mail - or any other newspaper - my own view, for what it's worth, is that any newspaper which publishes a story it knows to be untrue prior to publication should be banned from publishing. Freedom of speech is not the freedom to tell lies. |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 10/8/2012 11:13 AM BST
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In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media: Kirked, Grossly offensive, sure I will buy that one, but potentially Libelous, Get real! this is a forum post, opinions can never be taken as Libelous, nor should your ad hominum attempt to frighten me into submission be taken as anything but laughable! You attack Oreilly and Glenn beck with impunity, and yet you probably never even talked with them? Now as to viewers of his show not being able to think for themselves that is Libelous, lucky I am not a viewer, I watch all news and interpret for myself, hence I allow my education not my emotions to rule my thought processes, you should try it sometime. DuaneF Posted by DuaneF Hi Duane, whilst I have no beef with you about us disagreeing with each other on issues on this site anything written in permanent form whether in a Newspaper, Web site, Forum, Twitter etc if it has the right content can certainly be libelous - it is does not matter in what medium it is published.. Slander on the other hand is more usually something said that impugns a person. You must recognise this distinction, most of us here have strong views on some matters and are indifferent to other topics - strong views often bring out strong statements. Why do you think newspaper tycoons spend a great deal of money on Lawyers? - to ensure that they print certain information in such a way as it would be difficult to construe it as libelous. London is the 'capital' of Libel around the world, anyone wanting to take on a libel case against another person or organisation will almost certainly start proceedings in London - our libel laws are insane. Finally I did not attempt to drive an ad hominem attack at you - I have reread my post, which part do you mean?. But please remember there is no such thing as 'just a forum message/statement etc', if its permanent and/or published then if it impugns someone below the waterline it can spark a libel case. You must be very careful in what you say about linking your opinions of someone and such topics as abduction of children or other such topics. Also, saying that I am not impressed with the channels presenters or viewers is not libelous - it is a comment about a group (which is not directly defined).Finally you mention that I have never actually met or O'Reilly or Beck. This is of course true, But I have never met President Obama, Osama bin Laden or our Prime Minister etc etc and yet I am able to form a view about them fron what they say or do or are alleged to have done. |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 11/8/2012 4:11 AM BST
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Kirked, Lets see, You said I said Libelous things, I did not, However in some posts before you Accused me of worshipping Sky Fairies! One could construe this to mean, I am incompetent, or of poor mental faculty, etc. So it would appear that you Intend to use the Post, and indeed this forum as a Podium to Threaten me with Legal proceedings. Under the Laws of the United States, and as a matter of Public record I state that on this date, 8-10-12, I hereby declare that the defining nature of my post was meant to inform that I believe Children should be protected from rapists, In the USA and all countries! And anyone who believes differently is harming children. I further Apologize to you for any Potential grief I may have caused, and promise to not engage in further discourse. Sincerely; DuaneF |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 11/8/2012 4:42 AM BST
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Yes Steve, but of course you are right. Yes Oreilly and Beck have said some stupid things, and of course it is because they are Americans. Yes America has the worst health care, and yes we have the worst Gun laws, and the highest crime, and of course so little to add to the international community known as planet earth. And of course freedom should not be free, we should be told what to do, by other countries, and by non-religious powers, since religion is False! DuaneF In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media: this is a forum post, opinions can never be taken as Libelous Hi Duane - Kirked can probably give the "official" line but I think you may be wrong with this statement and you should check UK libel laws Oh, and I don't think Kirked was attacking messrs O'Reilly and Beck "with impunity" - he was merely having a go at what they themselves have apparently said in public (though having not seen it myself I couldn't possibly comment). And it's also not possible (I think) to libel a generic group such as "viewers" (though again Kirked will be able to provide the official line). So you can accuse "politicians" of lining their own pockets or you can accuse "bankers" of lies and theft or you can accuse "viewers" of not thinking and that's okay. It's only when you start to impune a named or clearly idenfiiable individual's or instituion's reputation that you run into problems with libel. As for the Daily Mail - or any other newspaper - my own view, for what it's worth, is that any newspaper which publishes a story it knows to be untrue prior to publication should be banned from publishing. Freedom of speech is not the freedom to tell lies. Posted by skyesteve |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 11/8/2012 9:27 AM BST
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Wow Duane! I don't know how you can make these assertions and inferences from my post which was about libel laws and media responsibility but since you have allow me the liberty of a reply. 1. Lots of people say stupid things on TV and in the press - it's not just Americans or, in the case of the UK, the Daily Mail. 2. I have never said the US has the worst healthcare. In fact for some Americans it is the best healthcare in the world. But that doesn't apply to large swathes of the American population. I just happen to think that, in a very wealthy nation like the US, it should. 3. I do not and will never understand the US obsession with guns. But I don't live there. I live in a country with essesntailly no guns and no gun crime so what concern is it of mine? 4. It's just a matter of fact that the US crime rate is much higher than many equivalent Western democracies. But that's just an observation not a criticism and I know things are improving. 5. The US has had both a positive and a negative impact on the wider international community. Whether the positive outweights the negative is for future historians to decide not me. What I will say though is that any negative impact of the US pales in comparison to the Soviet Union of old or Nazi Germany or the British empire of 100 years ago or the Spanish Empire of 500 years ago or the ancient empires of China, Mongolia, Persia or Rome. 6. No freedom is not absolute - no-one should have the freedom to tell lies or freedom to harm others. And religion is matter of individual personal choice - not somethig to be dictated by others. There should be no government by religion and no religious view should be allowed to negatvely impact on another person or group of people. And let me ask you this in all honesty - if the US is the land of freedom and tolerance how would the press and public there treat a presidential candidate who openly declared themselves to be gay and an atheist? |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 11/8/2012 9:33 AM BST
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In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media: Kirked, Lets see, You said I said Libelous things, I did not, However in some posts before you Accused me of worshipping Sky Fairies! One could construe this to mean, I am incompetent, or of poor mental faculty, etc. So it would appear that you Intend to use the Post, and indeed this forum as a Podium to Threaten me with Legal proceedings. Under the Laws of the United States, and as a matter of Public record I state that on this date, 8-10-12, I hereby declare that the defining nature of my post was meant to inform that I believe Children should be protected from rapists, In the USA and all countries! And anyone who believes differently is harming children. I further Apologize to you for any Potential grief I may have caused, and promise to not engage in further discourse. Sincerely; DuaneF Posted by DuaneF Thankyou Duane. By the way I have never threatened you with a libel suit - I have simply drawn your attention to forums and law. I think I have made my point and you have made yours. I was simply concerned that you did not know the dangers involved in a simple forum post. Libel suits concerning website, newspapers or twitter etc are commonplace and it is not simply a matter of writing anything you like about another person and there being no consequences. I will not labour the point any further. |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 11/8/2012 4:30 PM BST
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Yes Steve, I agree with all you said, and as to whether the USA would openly allow a Gay or Atheist president, I cannot speak with any level of intelligence, since I do not represent the mainstream voter, I vote for who I think is best, not their sexual persuasion or religious preference. I also believe we all should have the freedom to practice any or no religion, and it should not be dictated by anyone, with the Proviso that it is already established here on BMJ that anyone who believes in GOD is a SKY-Fairy Worshipper, this is a fact, I have been called that name and others, so I assert that it is better to be an Atheist since they are welcome in this forum more. I know the UK is better than the US, that has been established too. Have a great day. DuaneF In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media: Wow Duane! I don't know how you can make these assertions and inferences from my post which was about libel laws and media responsibility but since you have allow me the liberty of a reply. 1. Lots of people say stupid things on TV and in the press - it's not just Americans or, in the case of the UK, the Daily Mail. 2. I have never said the US has the worst healthcare. In fact for some Americans it is the best healthcare in the world. But that doesn't apply to large swathes of the American population. I just happen to think that, in a very wealthy nation like the US, it should. 3. I do not and will never understand the US obsession with guns. But I don't live there. I live in a country with essesntailly no guns and no gun crime so what concern is it of mine? 4. It's just a matter of fact that the US crime rate is much higher than many equivalent Western democracies. But that's just an observation not a criticism and I know things are improving. 5. The US has had both a positive and a negative impact on the wider international community. Whether the positive outweights the negative is for future historians to decide not me. What I will say though is that any negative impact of the US pales in comparison to the Soviet Union of old or Nazi Germany or the British empire of 100 years ago or the Spanish Empire of 500 years ago or the ancient empires of China, Mongolia, Persia or Rome. 6. No freedom is not absolute - no-one should have the freedom to tell lies or freedom to harm others. And religion is matter of individual personal choice - not somethig to be dictated by others. There should be no government by religion and no religious view should be allowed to negatvely impact on another person or group of people. And let me ask you this in all honesty - if the US is the land of freedom and tolerance how would the press and public there treat a presidential candidate who openly declared themselves to be gay and an atheist? Posted by skyesteve |
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Re: British invasion hits US online media
posted at 12/8/2012 8:24 AM BST
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In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media: Yes Steve, I agree with all you said, and as to whether the USA would openly allow a Gay or Atheist president, I cannot speak with any level of intelligence, since I do not represent the mainstream voter, I vote for who I think is best, not their sexual persuasion or religious preference. I also believe we all should have the freedom to practice any or no religion, and it should not be dictated by anyone, with the Proviso that it is already established here on BMJ that anyone who believes in GOD is a SKY-Fairy Worshipper, this is a fact, I have been called that name and others, so I assert that it is better to be an Atheist since they are welcome in this forum more. I know the UK is better than the US, that has been established too. Have a great day. DuaneF In Response to Re: British invasion hits US online media : Posted by DuaneF Thanks Duane - I did have a great day as it turned out (weather hot and sunny and local agricultural show was good fun). Please don't see me as anti-American because I am not. I have family and old friends there. I have visited a lot and hope to visit still more in the future. I even go to bed in stars and stripes PJs! Sure, there are things I disagree with but I could say that about any contry not least my own - nowhere is perfect. I have still found the US to be the friendliest and most-welcoming country I have visited (though Portugal does come a close second) and I would rather live in the US than about 150 other contries I could think of. |
