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Should consenting adults be allowed to do what they wish with their bodies? So, if they wish to donate a kidney for money should we allow it? And if not, why not? Afterall we wouldn't dream of condem
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Should consenting adults be allowed to sell their own body parts?

posted at 29/6/2012 4:44 PM BST on bmj.com
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Should consenting adults be allowed to do what they wish with their bodies? So, if they wish to donate a kidney for money should we allow it? And if not, why not? Afterall we wouldn't dream of condemning someone for cutting off some of their hair and selling that if someone else wanted it and we already allow sperm and egg "donation" under tight controls.
 

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posted at 29/6/2012 5:38 PM BST on bmj.com
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Well Steve,  lets see,   I say Yes but under tight control, and after counseling, since the person needs to be aware of their decision.   Now as to Sperm being Donated,  Lets see,  Sperm is extremely different from a Kidney,  a Kidney is a body part and an organ,   sperm is not a body Part,  but a substance,  and I offer the Analogy that people Donate Sperm many thousands of time per year,  in the Act of Sex,   Well Donate might not be the best description,  I guess CONTRIBUTE might better describe it.  But in any case a kidney is far different from Sperm.   DuaneF

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posted at 29/6/2012 9:19 PM BST on bmj.com
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It's a feature of that socialist, communist Organ of the State, the NHS, that donation of body parts is a free gift.    That has long been so for blood, and has continued for solid organs. 

   Small 'expences' payments are made for egg donation, not sure about sperm donation.     Don't mock, Duane, much artificial insemination practice is to compensate for poor quality sperm in the partnership.   Donors are badly needed, especially as now in the UK, a sperm donor may open his front door in later life to be greeted by a twenty year old saying, "Daddy!"  They may longer be anonymous, which has reduced the supply of donor sperm a lot.

But back to giving your organs.  I'm a blood donor, and slightly proud of it - we were hailed as  'heroes' in another recent thread, whereas I think of it as a public duty, like voting or jury service.   The blood I use in theatre is not free as my hospital is charged for it - how else could the Blood Donor Service do its job, unless it was fully finded by the State, and you wouldn't want that, would you?  And I don't want my fee to be part of that cost.

But it's easy to give blood.  The cost to me is a little time and a needle in the arm and I get a  biscuit and cup of machine-made tea - yummy!   Egg donation takes a lot longer  and demnds a stay in hospital so 'expences' seem reasonable.  It is also a lot less comfortable and in fact incurs significant risk to the donor.  Ditto kidney etc donation, but the stories of donors and recipients alike, who have given and received for no payment make the whole process one that makes you glad you are human, in a way that no commercial transaction could do.

John

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posted at 29/6/2012 10:11 PM BST on bmj.com
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As a general proposition it seems reasonable that the individual has autonomy over what happens to their own body and that everyone has an equal right to life.  To protect this right, many societies feel there is an obligation to ensure that every person -- whether rich or poor -- has equal access to the benefits of medical care.  But if a market in organs or other body parts were to develop, ability to pay would determine who could buy organs, while economic need would determine who would be motivated to sell their organs. The very wealthy would end up buyers of the organs being sold by the very poor. A market in organs would thus benefit the wealthy while putting pressures on the poor to endanger their own health. Whilst some would consider this is just the ‘free market’ in action I am not convinced this is just nor something the medical profession should endorse.

Allowing organs or body parts to be bought and sold would lead to what some call the "plundering of peasants' parts for profits, essentially the exploitation of the poor and desperate, especially in impoverished countries. This is already occurring with women from India ‘renting out’ their womb for couples who want children but cannot. There are  examples of some women having 7 or 8  pregnancies with the  inherent problems and risks it places on the surrogate women. Whilst they receive financial recompense for being a surrogate, at present such practices are unregulated and the amount paid is substantial to the surrogate, however  in  UK terms the amount paid is very small. Such a scheme would encourage the most vulnerable in society to treat themselves as commodities and allow others to violate their rights for commercial gain.

These thoughts above deal with just one narrow field but I tend to think that selling organs or body parts in any commercial way is fraught with ethical problems. Having said all of that I believe it perfectly possible in time that some sort of selling process of organs/body parts may emerge but in a limited context. Speaking purely in terms of organ donation (i.e Kidneys etc) where organs are desperately  in need and thousands of people die because they cannot undergo transplantation we will have to choose between different sets of moral values: the value we place on preventing death and alleviating suffering, and the value we place on respect for human dignity, and autonomy and our commitment to meeting human needs in a fair and equitable manner.

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posted at 2/7/2012 8:44 PM BST on bmj.com
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We 'sell' our intelligence and our physical effort when we do our jobs.

Some 'sell' our bodies e.g. models, etc to earn our living.

So one would think there should really be no issue about selling body parts.

Of course the sub-text is not the question of body parts. it is about power relationships behind any transaction, consenting or otherwise. Where ever there is a commercial element there is potential abuse; in many areas this abuse is reversible and remediable. In a body parts sale the transaction is not reversible and/or remediable. It is that kind of power with this particular transaction which is the problem.

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posted at 6/7/2012 12:09 PM BST on bmj.com
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What an excellent idea and a great way of fundraising for charities too.

People currently donate items to charity shops (clothes, books, awful porcelain figurines etc), so why not accept organ and body part donations which they in turn can sell on.

People who currently donate their organs are now actually helping more people as the charity gets money as well.

If you choose not to go down the charity route then I see no reason why you can't sell your own body parts. They are yours after all so you can do what you want with them.

There is of course the black market danger in that people will not only have their wallet or purse stolen but perhaps the arm or leg attached too.

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posted at 6/7/2012 1:14 PM BST on bmj.com
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Being an Australian Baby Boomer brought nurtured on traditional Christian values, our generation was taught that is is not only proper, but one's social obligation to give arms.

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posted at 7/7/2012 7:33 AM BST on bmj.com
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Being an Australian Baby Boomer brought nurtured on traditional Christian values, our generation was taught that is is not only proper, but one's social obligation to give arms.
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I have just found out that our government prohibits arms giving but lawyers advise me that it is still legal to lend a hand. 

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posted at 7/7/2012 1:47 PM BST on bmj.com
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Incentivising the sale of body parts, particularly kidneys, is an interesting question.

- There is a clear shortage of kidneys; for instance, in the UK there are currently 6,283 people in the queue for a transplant (http://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt/statistics/downloads/weekly_stats.pdf).  Maintaining dialysis treatment for these people is a burden both on them and their lives and on the financial resources of the NHS.
- Giving a kidney is really very safe (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22287701).  So we wouldn't actually be paying people to do something especially dangerous, unlike, say, when we pay a soldier to go to war.
- Worldwide, there would seem to be two models for financial remuneration of donors.  On the one hand, you have the black market in organs internationally, where people give kidneys in unsafe circumstances for whatever is being offered.  On the other... you have the Iranian model, in which living donors are remunerated to a set extent by the government, and then may subsequently receive a gift from the donors (while maintaining due separation to avoid any negotiation of the size of said gift), and which claims to have eliminated the queue for kidneys in Iran.
- Other options to improve donor uptake would include better systematic recruitment of cadaveric donors, including but not limited to opt-out (the Spanish model), or incentivisation by giving registered donors preference to receive donated organs over other people who are other equally matched in terms of their need of the same organs and their fitness to receive them (the Israeli model).
- In an ideal world, of course, we might also be able to reduce demand through persuading more people to adopt good health-seeking behaviour in terms of diet and exercise and thus have less people joining the kidney queue in the first place.  However, not all of said queue is in it for lifestyle-related reasons.

Personally, and looking particularly at the UK, I'd favour starting with better donor recruitment, a la Spain.  And if that, plus maybe the Israeli idea, isn't enough, we might then want to do something like the system in Iran... although I'd favour having the "gift" part of the transaction going to a charity of the donor's choice, rather than being given to the donor themselves.  Does that sound like a workable plan?

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posted at 7/7/2012 2:17 PM BST on bmj.com
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Yes and No. If someone wants to do this only for money, then NO! 
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