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I am getting to that stage where we are being urged to consider intercalating. The med school encourages us to intercalate after 3rd year, rather than 2nd year, but it is not compulsory. What are peop
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Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 3/1/2013 8:05 AM GMT on bmj.com
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I am getting to that stage where we are being urged to consider intercalating. The med school encourages us to intercalate after 3rd year, rather than 2nd year, but it is not compulsory. What are people's experiences of intercalating? Is it worth it? A lot of med students say it was a good year 'break' from medicine. I am not sure i want to pay to do a BSc if that is the only benefit.

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Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 3/1/2013 6:24 PM GMT on bmj.com
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It really depends - there are some key questions you could ask yourself. For example:

Will doing this subject give you a career advantage to justify the time and money?
Can you afford an extra year at university? 
Do you want an extra year at university or get working sooner?
Are you happy being a student for a further year - would this affect friendships/relationships positively or negatively?
Would intercalating affect your medicine work? (e.g. will it mean a year out of medicine not long before finals, as it is here in Dundee)
Do you have a keen interest in the degree or the project(s) you will be doing? 
Is there a choice to study away from your university if you wish to do a subject not offered at your own institution?
Would you mind being away from medicine for a year and graduating a year later, potentially not studying with your existing friends for two extra years, or would intercalating mean you stay with those people?
Do you want a minor points advantage on your Foundation application? 

There are many more other questions, but purely in terms of the degree I am choosing not to intercalate for a few of the above reasons, but could answer all of them to argue against intercalating (for me) other than the topic/personal interest.

1. I am a graduate so don't gain much points-wise, especially in the context of my wider marks and SJT
2. For me the expense isn't justified - it would cost me many thousands of pounds for an extra year that I don't need to spend as a student
3. None of the career paths I'm interested in would see any of the specific topics as a huge advantage, so is a poor return on investment.
4. I don't want a year out of medicine when I might forget a huge amount...
5. I want to graduate 'on time' and get working again

A lot of people here are intercalating as they were 17 or 18 at the start of uni and want to delay being a doctor til they are a bit older, which is fair enough.

Plenty of people feel medicine is very different to other more traditionally academic degrees and intercalating gives you a chance to experience what university is like for most people - yes a lighter timetable/more parties but also a chance to explore a topic in-depth (e.g. dissertations) which medicine often doesn't offer and to explore a topic you have enjoyed in much more detail (perhaps a previous SSC or block you really enjoyed, or a lab project you did that you'd like to build on).

I'd say to think about the pros and cons, and look into all the support you would need to make intercalating straightforward (financial, academic, personal) and then make an informed decision that makes you happy. 


Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 3/1/2013 7:28 PM GMT on bmj.com
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In Response to Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?:
It really depends - there are some key questions you could ask yourself. For example: Will doing this subject give you a career advantage to justify the time and money? Can you afford an extra year at university?  Do you want an extra year at university or get working sooner? Are you happy being a student for a further year - would this affect friendships/relationships positively or negatively? Would intercalating affect your medicine work? (e.g. will it mean a year out of medicine not long before finals, as it is here in Dundee) Do you have a keen interest in the degree or the project(s) you will be doing?  Is there a choice to study away from your university if you wish to do a subject not offered at your own institution? Would you mind being away from medicine for a year and graduating a year later, potentially not studying with your existing friends for two extra years, or would intercalating mean you stay with those people? Do you want a minor points advantage on your Foundation application?  There are many more other questions, but purely in terms of the degree I am choosing not to intercalate for a few of the above reasons, but could answer all of them to argue against intercalating (for me) other than the topic/personal interest. 1. I am a graduate so don't gain much points-wise, especially in the context of my wider marks and SJT 2. For me the expense isn't justified - it would cost me many thousands of pounds for an extra year that I don't need to spend as a student 3. None of the career paths I'm interested in would see any of the specific topics as a huge advantage, so is a poor return on investment. 4. I don't want a year out of medicine when I might forget a huge amount... 5. I want to graduate 'on time' and get working again A lot of people here are intercalating as they were 17 or 18 at the start of uni and want to delay being a doctor til they are a bit older, which is fair enough. Plenty of people feel medicine is very different to other more traditionally academic degrees and intercalating gives you a chance to experience what university is like for most people - yes a lighter timetable/more parties but also a chance to explore a topic in-depth (e.g. dissertations) which medicine often doesn't offer and to explore a topic you have enjoyed in much more detail (perhaps a previous SSC or block you really enjoyed, or a lab project you did that you'd like to build on). I'd say to think about the pros and cons, and look into all the support you would need to make intercalating straightforward (financial, academic, personal) and then make an informed decision that makes you happy. 
Posted by Chess


Chess has already very eloquently made most of the points I was going to say.

The key considerations are mostly the cost/benefit analysis you have to do to see whether you want to take one on or not. Doing an intercalated degree topic that you are interested in is essential since no matter where or what you do, it is going to be a tough journey. Plus, it is essential you make sure you are doing this for the right reasons. Is this just to have another thing on the CV or is it because you are interested in the intercalated degree topic as a long term career?? You need to make sure that it is the latter.
I think this intercalating is a great opportunity to get experience from a different area of medicine that you wouldnt neccessarily be focused on during the main degree and a way to gain experience in things that may come useful for your career in the long run. I recognise though that it isnt without its downfalls but for me on balance I consider it to be a worthwhile and long term investment that for me (as i am hoping to intercalate in a Masters in Translational Research) will pay dividends down the line.

Out of curiosity/nosiness- What intercalated degree are you considering??

BW,
Nathan

Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 8/1/2013 5:42 PM GMT on bmj.com
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Hi,

I'm currently doing a BSc in Medical Science.
My best advice to you is to have a think about the topics you'd be interested in Intercalating in and ask past students who have intercalated at your medical school for advice regarding subjects and the problems they encountered.
The money side of thing is crucial but I agree that it's important that you weigh up your reasons for doing it.

If you're interested in academic medicine, or a particular field eg sports med, then it may be useful. However there are lots of issues intercalating students face such as support from uni, change of learning/assessment style (finances aside). I am interested in medical research which is why i am doing the BSc and it is teaching me things, though not in the way I'd thought our the sorts of things I expected to learn.

I hope that helps a little bit.

Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 25/1/2013 10:31 AM GMT on bmj.com
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BMJ Open has just published a paper on this topic: 'Is it intelligent to intercalate? A two-centre cross-sectional study exploring the value of intercalated degrees, and the possible effects of the recent tuition fee rise in England'


The authors surveyed students at Bristol and Sheffield medical schools 

Re: Intercalation: is it worth it?

posted at 25/1/2013 4:59 PM GMT on bmj.com
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First: 13/11/2012
Last: 14/5/2013
Interesting article. 

I had a minor gripe with the part about intercalating students tending to perform better in subsequent exams though. A few paragraphs on, the article mentions that intercalating is seen as being for 'the most academic students' so people who perform less well tend not to intercalate. Which could very well have something to do with exam performance! Additionally, at Dundee at least, being able to intercalate depends on previous exam performance - you aren't allowed to intercalate without a grade average above a certain level. 

Does anyone have anything to say on the value of intercalating in terms of getting the job you want? I've thought that getting decent exam marks and battling through the SJT/whatever will exist in future will be more important than a couple of extra points for my FY application. Although, that's easy for me to say as I already have a degree. In terms of post FY years, does anyone have an insight here? Presumably it depends on the degree and what your output is (impressive array of posters/publications/relevant research/making contacts)...

Nice that the article points out that after 4 years NHS funding kicks in, but this still means a further year of living close to or in the red. 

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