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CXR is most inappropriate for which ED presenting complaint?

posted at 26/10/2011 2:33 PM BST on bmj.com
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One of the Evidence 2011 poster submissions is a summary of the effects of the Royal College of Radiologists' MBUR  (make best use of radiology) guidelines.

http://www.rcr.ac.uk/content.aspx?PageID=995

When ED clinicians at Doncaster Royal Infirmary received online MBUR training, the following was noted ...
 
4% reduction in CXR requests for URTI
6% reduction in CXR requests for exacerbation of asthma without localising signs in the chest
3% reduction in CXR requests for minor chest trauma without suspicion of pneumothorax
2% increase in CXR requests for non specific/non cardiac chest pain

Re: CXR is most inappropriate for which ED presenting complaint?

posted at 31/10/2011 2:39 AM GMT on bmj.com
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I'd tick MIGRAINE. 

To evade the question further but of possible relevance, relatively  few doctors know the radiation dose in Sv for a chest radiograph, CT chest or annual background radation on planet Earth at sea level  let alone a CT abdomen, CT brain and FDG-PET scan. 

The $ cost of each is usually equally mysterious. 

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posted at 31/10/2011 1:46 PM GMT on bmj.com
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I did a bit of research nonsense last year - we asked 90 doctors in the hospital to estimate the radiation dose of CXR, CT brain, CT Chest/Abdo/Pelvis, USS abomen(!), MRI brain, backround radiation for Dundee.....

Really shocking reponses.  We even gave them the dose of radiation involved in a CXR (0.02 mSv) and asked for how many CXR equivalents a CT is - people varied in their answers by a factor of 10,000 (sic).  

Anyone want to venture a guess at the radiation dose associated with a helical CT of the chest and upper abdomen, as used to stage intra throacic malignancy??  Not you, Odysseus!


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posted at 2/11/2011 10:20 AM GMT on bmj.com
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DundeeChest I think we sing from the same hymn sheet. 

Who made the first double helical stair case and where is it? 

Helical CTs, scales and snails.

posted at 8/11/2011 2:51 AM GMT on bmj.com
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Now don't all rush at once.

To put you all out of your misery and to put an end to your insomnia, the double helix is not the brain-child of Watson and Crick but of Leonardo da Vinci who designed the staircase in the Chateau de Blois in the Loire Valley. I scaled the stairs many years ago.

A double-helix stair is more of an architectural challenge and in a fortress allows soldiers to go up and down with greater ease. At Blois it was just for aesthetics.

The Greek word for a staircase is skala and hence our word, scale and French, escalier. Double is orginally Greek (diplos), and helix is the Ancient Greek word for a spirally-coiled snail. 

We owe a lot to the Greeks. 

Imagination is more important than information. Never cease to let the child in you wonder. 

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