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Female doctors will outnumber their male colleagues in the UK by 2017 according to a new report by the RCP. For anyone who went to medical school in the last few years this will not be a big surprise
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Female doctors soon to be in the majority - a crisis in the making?

posted at 3/6/2009 10:45 AM BST
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Female doctors will outnumber their male colleagues in the UK by 2017 according to a new report by the RCP.

For anyone who went to medical school in the last few years this will not be a big surprise - there have been more female medical students than male for several years.

What's really interesting about this research is the effect that this shift is likely to have on resources.

"It is likely to lead to an increase in part time working. Also, women on average make different specialty choices from men" says Prof Jane Dacre in the Telegraph.

"It may be, if current trends continue, that more doctors are needed to provide the same amount of cover."

With hours already being cut by the EWTD and an increase in part-time workers expected, are we heading for another doctor shortage?

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posted at 3/6/2009 11:56 AM BST on bmj.com
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Depends from whose perspective. A doctor shortage is very good for doctors! I'd much prefer that than a glut.

davebergie

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posted at 3/6/2009 7:12 PM BST on bmj.com
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Schoolgirls do better in the A'levels so more get into medical school.

I think the feminisation of the workforce may have other potential consequences -if Russia is anything to go by, where the feminisation of the profession has changes its status.

Already in GP we are are seeing salaried positions dominated by women (yes. some women do favour part time salaried work) . However give it a few years and in GP, the disparity in earnings and professional status between male and female GPs will grow ever wider which is sad for the profession.

Kate

Re: Female doctors soon to be in the majority - a crisis in the making?

posted at 3/6/2009 7:56 PM BST on bmj.com
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If the EWTD means doctors will each be able to work less hours, then more doctors will be needed to fill the gaps. Only a few years ago the news was full of UK doctors who couldn't get onto the ST training programmes for shortage of positions. Women working part time, and EWTD will perhaps ensure that UK trained doctors should not have to go and work abroad just to get a job!

DrSLJones

well i dont think so!!!

posted at 3/6/2009 9:07 PM BST on bmj.com
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the point is really interesting !!

in the third worlds the female no. of students entering medical school is on the rise ever since the last 3 or 4 decades and recently they are crossing the simple majority of two-third.

but interestingly this is only in medical school and a few specialities!! medicine and gyne for instance have more than 70% ladies but in surgical specialities

the no of ladies are less than 5% in consultant grades even though they are approaching 40% mark in training slots

 

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posted at 3/6/2009 10:54 PM BST on bmj.com
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 As the population ages in Western countries, there will be a need for more doctors. I have heard in Australia, that in the next ten years about 40% of the population will be reaching retirement age because of the aging of what we call the Baby Booomers (post-WW2 increase in birth rate). There also will be a large proportion of doctors retiring too if we can afford to do so.

The government is raising the pension age to 67 (now 65) and I can see that soon it will be 70. More doctors are retiring older than before and a large proportion are dissatisfied with their lot eg as a GP. As working standards decline and salaries fall relative to the general population, more women will enter medical school as fewer men will be attracted to that career choice. Highly achieving men know that they will make more money in business than in the narrow confines of monastery we call medicine, notwithstanding the hallowed cloisters and all that bull. Many women work part-time in medicine. They will marry house husbands. 

When women swamp medicine, the profession's standing will fall and nurses will also take much of the work of GP's and even some specialists. Doctors' salaries will fall and our political masters will have finally chained the beast and save billions as this is the end result of socialised medicine. It will be Russia with love. 

 So I think we should ask, not why there are more women in medicine but why there are fewer men and where are the bright young men going? They are doing business, real estate, accounting, the law stock broking. At the place where I sail, the big boats are not owned by doctors but by businessmen.

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posted at 4/6/2009 1:42 AM BST on bmj.com
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 At the risk of stating the obvious, our political masters don't usually "dock" our salaries (i,e, reduce them), they just don't increase them to keep up with CPI increases. This has happened with rebates for all sorts of services in Australia such as for pathology, cataracts etc. The gap gets wider and sooner or later you realise you are on a lower hourly salary than blue collar workers. 

I was recently called back into see a patient at 2am and spent three hours with her. There is no "after hours" item number for such as service. I could have charged her as a plumber would have but ended up charging the schedule fee for a hospital visit ($68.20).  I wonder what a lawyer would have charged a client for three hours down at the watch house.

The NHS sounds like a socialist's Heaven and we in Oz  as yet somewhere in Limbo. I am interested to know where all high flyers, aristocrats and blue bloods go for medical attention in the UK; surely not the NHS? 

I have four sons, three of whom have entered the workplace and all have chosen non-medicine for a career. They have seen too much and are right. 

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posted at 4/6/2009 3:29 AM BST on bmj.com
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Hi Everybody,

This is a kind of interesting report from UK though it is being seen in many parts of the world. As I could see in Nepal, there are higher number of girl medical students in many private medical colleges of Nepal. However, it is fairly less till now if we compare in full fledged medical practicing doctors.

This is good in a countries like Nepal where gender bias is high.

Thanks!

 

Best wishes,

mati

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posted at 4/6/2009 12:30 PM BST on bmj.com
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Hi Roger,

For elective procedures and primary care there are plenty of private doctors around. There are a couple of large chains of private hospitals (BUPA, Nuffield), but for emergency care you're pretty much stuck with your local NHS hospital, no matter how rich you are. Having said that I hear from friends who have worked in posh NHS hospitals like the Chelsea and Westminster that the first question in A&E is often "would you like to go private?" as so many patients are funneled into private wards straight away.

Medicine isn't a very glamorous career for high fliers, but has that changed recently? As for money, should medical schools be taking people who want to make money and buy expensive yachts?

Wished I'd called this thread Generation XX now. Never mind.

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posted at 5/6/2009 3:37 AM BST on bmj.com
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Hai

It is not a surprise that more women will be doctors soon.  In developing countries more girls make it to the professional schools/colleges after thier high school. Some women cannot sustain in medical school and or after postgraduation for biological reasons like pregnancy, childbirth etc.

Yes, surgical specialties may still be men but with European time directive you are more lkely to see more women in most specialties.

gowri
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