ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
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Dear forum members, I am applying to university to study a degree in medicine in 2012 and because I have a BA and MA I am not eligble to apply for a student loan to cover my tuition fees.
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 30/4/2011 8:58 AM BST
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I am organising a group of graduates to have a presence at the Save the NHS Demo on May 17th. Details: Tuesday 17 May 5.30pm, University College Hospital, Gower St, WC1 6.00pm march to Department of Health, Whitehall More info at http://www.keepournhspublic.com I am coordinating our efforts via our open Facebook Group which is Save Graduate Entry Medicine at https://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_162471393813902&ap=1 We must not sit on our arses and let policy be changed without making our opinions heard! Please join the Facebook group and email me at reb.mcknight@gmail.com if you want to join this peaceful protest. We have more power in numbers. |
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 30/4/2011 4:14 PM BST
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 8/5/2011 4:50 PM BST
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 10/5/2011 6:12 PM BST
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In Response to Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!: I've emailed the following to the BMA: 1) Given the increase in fees, would the lack of tuition fee support affect your decision to study medicine? Such an increase would invariably affect my decision. To self-fund the first year of tuition fees at £3145 would have been achievable; however, an increase to £9000 means it is impossible for a recent graduate to genuinely self-fund without financial assistance from another source. For those of us who do not afford the luxury of parents who are in a position to offer such support, this firmly bars us from this career path. 2) How does this make you feel? It of course makes me feel angry on a personal level. I have been working towards an application to GEM courses for some time, and to suddenly have such a phenomenal barrier erected is crushing. This feeling is soured even further in how this barrier is in no way reflective on my suitability for medicine – it has arisen from unnecessary decisions from government. This issue is entirely separate from the national, political pro- vs anti-cuts discourse: it is an issue of ideological priorities. The vast amounts of money that will be spent on Mr Lansley’s NHS reforms would more than cover the price of educating graduate-entry doctors; paradoxically, the driving ideology behind the reforms is in part to put more doctors on the front lines. Indeed, if one thinks purely in terms of efficiency, graduate entry doctors train in four years, opposed to five and additionally start contributing to the NHS after their first year, which makes them a more economically attractive option. On a deeper level, this lack of funding makes me worry for the future of the NHS. In 2009, over 20% of people in medical training were over 21. It is highly likely that most of these people were graduates on Graduate Programmes (further supported by the correlation between this figure and the number of places on such programmes). It is deeply concerning that such a significant proportion of the medical workforce could be from such a non-representative cross section of society, especially in an institution which should be driven by ability and merit, regardless of ones financial situation. 3) What will you do if support is not provided to cover your fees? I shall undertake postgraduate study in the hope that upon completion there shall be a government in power who both upholds their manifestos and facilitates meritocracy. 4) What do you believe the government should do about this? I think these are particularly damaging cuts to the driving force of the NHS. I believe the government should realise that is not merely sufficient to pledge to ‘ring-fence the NHS budget’ but it is also necessary to practically implement sustainable quality on the ground through educating a representative workforce. The government should realise that the NHS is not a microcosm in which to simulate a social experiment. A strong government is characterised by its ability to admit mistake, and the coalition needs to admit this one swiftly and divert funds to ensure that ability is the only criteria in become a doctor. Also if anyone is part of the Brent constituency, I'm thinking of organising a visit to our MP Sarah Teather (Minister of State for Education) who holds a weekly surgery, seeing as thought she has ignored my emails! Finally, Rebs I would definitely be interested in attending on the 17th May Posted by olivermccallion Hi Oliver, can you email me and I will send you info of where we are meeting for the protest next Tues? My email is reb.mcknight@gmail.com. Anyone else is welcome, just drop me an email or turn up! |
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 10/5/2011 6:14 PM BST
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I have created an e-petition against the potential removal of the NHS fees bursary for GEM and for a student loan to be made available for year 1. Please sign it here: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-graduate-entry-medicine Thanks! |
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 11/5/2011 8:37 PM BST
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Hi Chris, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but BMA announced on Twitter today that David Willetts had announced that graduates will NOT have access to a tuitiuon fee loan for year 1 of the GEM course, regardless of the fact that it has just increased by 166%. Dear Rebecca, We still don't know about the NHS bursary, but MP Andrew Smith just emailed me this today: Many thanks for your emailed letter of 30 April about the difficulties confronting prospective graduate medical students. I very much share your concerns on this. I therefore last week initiated a debate in Parliament about funding for medical students in general, including of course the position of prospective graduate medical students. To read this, go to link: www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-05-03b.251.0" target="_blank">http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-05-03b.251.0 If there are further points you would like me to take up with Ministers, or any other way I can help the campaign on this, please just let me know. With best wishes Andrew |
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 12/5/2011 3:50 PM BST
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 16/5/2011 1:50 PM BST
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I will be speaking at the Save the NHS protest tomorrow in London to highlight the issues that Graduate Entry Medical students are facing and we will be promoting our e-petition. I urge everyone who agrees that graduates should have access to study medicine to attend the protest and sign the e-petition. The main march will assemble at 5.30pm, University College Hospital, Gower St, WC1 (Euston, Warren Street, Euston Square tube).
And then at 6pm march to Department of Health, Whitehall. Health workers are being told to wear your uniforms. For those who would prefer to meet up first, to receive a banner and meet other graduates applying to GEM, we are meeting at 4pm at the Northumberland Arms. Address: 119 Tottenham Ct Rd, London W1T 5AW and then making our way to the march. Main site for more info on the protest is www.keepournhspublic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.keepournhspublic.com/ Our event page for the march is here: https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=165547230173370 Save Graduate Entry Medicine! |
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Re: ATTENTION! Graduates are being priced out of studying medicine! Your View/Help Needed!!
posted at 19/5/2011 4:55 PM BST
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Please see here to watch a video of the Keep the NHS Public march and also where I make a short speech about the issues prospective graduate medical students are facing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPnHUPJCtw Don't forget to sign our e-petition at www.savegem.co.uk |




