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NHS shakeup: a conspiracy to privatise?

Nothing polarises British people quite like a discussion of Private vs Public Healthcare. Opinion changes depending on what newspaper you read but arguments are always emphatic and sensationalist. Such a choice of blog might be a little bit too brave for my first blog on doc2doc.

The new white paper which sees “the biggest change to the NHS since its inception,” has been met with equally polarised views, (see the forum “The new Health White Paper is not with the paper it’s written on?) Alan Maynard a professor of Health Economics at the University of York wrote an article titled “NHS shakeup: a conspiracy to privatize?” Conservative governments in the past have pushed for further privatization in the past.

The argument is that a GP consortium taking over from government PCT is the first step towards privately run medicine. Another point is that hospitals are to become foundation trusts. This could mean that they can be bought privately similar to the system in the US.
 

I am a fierce defender of the NHS and I think its creation was the best thing to come out of a Labour government (besides Blair for his relentless supply of entertaining headlines). I would hate to see a lot of the NHS become privatized. One of the things that prevents (not entirely) cooperate power from corrupting our health service to the same extent as has been seen in America is its public status. Starting privatization will lead to the loss of public interest amongst those in charge and the increase of a far more sinister interest, an interest which best appears with several zeros after it but all to often with the NHS it has a minus sign preceding it. 

With deficiency after deficiency in our public health service I have started to question this view. Is a public health service the best way forward? Much mud-slinging has been done across the Atlantic to criticize the US. However their healthcare is far superior to ours in many respects, such as cancer survival rates. Can the private and public systems run together? If so what can we do about the private brain drain where doctors leave the NHS in pursuit of more money? 

I am particularly interested in the views of people across the world to see how other countries do it. 

A lot of thinking for a Wednesday afternoon...

Max 
 

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Deebles wrote:
"However their healthcare is far superior to ours in many respects, such as cancer survival rates."

Meh. The standard "survival to X years from diagnosis" rewards overdiagnosis just as much as it does treatment success. You also want to look at the overall population mortality from cancer, which has the added benefit of measuring success in public health alongside success in treatment.

As it happens, the US is still ahead of the UK on this indicator (according to the GLOBOCAN database at http://www-dep.iarc.fr/, people in the US have an 11.2% risk of dying of cancer before the age of 75, as opposed to an 11.9% risk in the UK; hardly surprising, given that only 15% of the adult population of the US smoke, compared to 20% in the UK). But more to the point, other countries are ahead of both (10.2% risk in Sweden, for example), and this rather suggests that the US may not be the best model to emulate in order to better avoid deaths from cancer.
15/7/2010 6:35 AM BST on bmj.com
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Max Allen wrote:
What is the expression; there are lies, damn lies and then statistics. Percentages are so misleading when they do not represent the same total. With your percentages that means that (rough numbers) 34 million people in the US die before 75 of cancer and 46 million smoke. That means for every person who smokes 1.3 people die of cancer before 75. Using the same method in the UK for everyone who smokes 1.7 people die of cancer before 75. Suddenly the statistics say the complete opposite thing! I was not saying the US model was the best model. I was just saying it is a model that we could adapt and use to modify our model.
15/7/2010 12:34 PM BST on bmj.com
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prashanth wrote:
Dont you even think of public and private mix!!!! That is like setting yourselves back by millennia. Take the case of India - a severely heterogenous health care system with nearly 80% of health related expenditure originating in people's pockets! Private sector health care in India is of high quality, international in nature and is even supporting health related tourism because it is cost-effective for the top 1% of the world's population, but if at all you consider the equity angle, these hospitals are inaccesssible by 98% of the country.....financially, of course. Public oriented systems being so deeply routed in UK are susceptible to criticism, are too slow to innovate and change and are easily compared to white elephants, but they are iron-clad examples of equity. A value that is appreciated more in its absence.....NHS UK - please do not take the private road!
15/7/2010 3:53 PM BST on bmj.com
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Max Allen wrote:
I was playing devils advocate. Believe me I love the NHS and what it stands for. There are vast improvements to be made but I definitely prefer our system to the one across the Atlantic!
15/7/2010 8:00 PM BST on bmj.com
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Prof Norman wrote:
As far as the shakeup is concerned, there are mixed opinions on whether it will lead to imporvement in patient care. I personally think it is unsustainable for the NHS to remain the cumbersome and inefficient, wasteful civil service that it has become. It makes a mockery of intelligent clinicians. The public, in need of something to believe in, is increasingly bereft of good things to say about the NHS. Now that other people have suffered under the economic collapse, healthcare cannot be seen to be somehow more special than, say, education or housing. NHS has been free at the point of access, but it has never been free full stop: as taxpayers, we simply pay this enormous 'health provider' a premium to look after us all, and those who can't pay are subsidised by us. But nothing is free. Doctors in England are generally middle class and matters of money and payment are considered vulgar; people with profit motive seen as sinister thieves with no interest in actual outcome. If this were the case, private enterprise, which has had to stand on its own merits and methods, simply would not survive. I am not suggesting privatisation en masse is the way forward: I do think that better collaboration and mutual sharing of ideas, and a gentle suggestion that we ultimately have the same purpose, is. We cannot let ourselves be seduced by a false dichotomy and cartoon-like duelling of public vs private, with only one possible victor. Private companies, and social enterprises, and charities, have worked hand in hand with the NHS since it began. Creating bogeymen does not help move things forward. Private companies and current business thinking is very focussed on social entrepreneurship, social responsibility and benefitting sociaety in general. The corporations which don't take measured steps to be socially responsible, will suffer for it: just look at the banks, and look at BP. Private does not have to mean Gordon Gecko rubbing his hands in expectation of vast immoral profit, and we have to talk to these people if we want to make things better for all of us.
10/8/2010 5:21 PM BST on bmj.com
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JJW wrote:
Prof Norman- the NHS may be riddled with inefficiency but look at services with significant private components. The most obvious example would be the US costing twice as much as a % of GDP, for a lower life expectancy. Even if we compare other systems such as the German model. They spend significantly more than us on healthcare and achieve perhaps very marginally better outcomes overall. These systems spend anywhere from 15 to 30% of the overall budget on things like marketing and admin. Whereas the NHS figure is around 10%. This doesn't seem like the gross inefficiency that some on the right would have us believe. These reforms seem to lack any evidence that they will either improve outcomes or cost less. In fact the may very well do the opposite and until evidence can be provided for this with perhaps a small scale trial, they should be stopped. Furthermore neither party has a mandate for anything of this sort and action like this is both anti-democratic and wrong. We should not exist in a society where a government decides to do what it pleases in contrast to what the people voted for and what they promised.
21/1/2011 3:18 PM GMT on bmj.com