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Babies and Bathwater
Long ago, in the mists of time (well 1988 actually), I graduated as a fairly average student with a medical degree from a well-known medical school.

Thereafter I went on to work in a district general hospital, first as a junior House officer for 12 months then as a Senior House Officer for two years.

I rotated through a variety of acute medical and surgical specialties including A&E, orthopaedics, acute psychiatry, obs and gynae and so on.
For each of these jobs I was the first port of call for the emergencies that came in on my receiving days/nights. I had to see them, assess them and sort them out as best I could.

But I was also aware of a (largely) supportive hierarchy above me - SHO, Registrar, Senior Registrar and Consultant. Of these the Senior Registrars were the ones I looked up to most. Usually about 30 years old they were on the verge of being Consultants and as such their knowledge was often deeper, broader and more up to date than the Consultants above them.

During each job I was usually in before 8am and seldom out before 6pm - 10 hour days, five days a week. On top of that I did an average of 1 in 3 on-call which meant that of the week's remaining 118 hours I worked 39 of them giving me a total working week of around 90 hours.

Was this good for me? Well from the point of veiw of my social and family life almost certainly not. But it did result in a huge depth and breadth of experience in a relative short space of time.

Was it good for my patients? Well, as far as I know, I never killed anyone! But beyond that I'm not so sure...

What was accepted then was that to become a hospital specialist required at least 10 years of post-grauate experience and that you were unlikely to make the grade until you were in your early 30s.
To become a GP you only needed 4 years of post-graduate training but I soon realised that, for me anyway, four years was simply not going to be enough for the kind of remote rural medicine I wanted to practice. In the end I did 8 years of post-graduate training before finally settling in to the job that I now do.

Some years ago medical training changed. That, together with the European working time directive of a 48 hour working week, means that very few junior doctors are now doing the amount of working hours that my unfortunate generation had to endure. And I think, on balance, that that is a good thing both for patients and doctors.

But part of me can't help thinking that we threw out the baby with the bathwater by failing to recognise the vast experience gained over a relatively short period of time that the "old system" could provide. Under the old system I easily met the "10,000 hour rule" which suggests to be really good at something you have to have at least 10,000 hours experience.

It also makes me wonder that if it took 10 years to train a consultant "the old way" how come it takes the same amount of time (or sometimes even less) now? Have we sacrificed something in the form of experience or expertise along the way?


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luisad wrote:
I was so pleased to see this blog as I have been thinking about this a lot. I was a junior doctor in the bad old days when you were on call for a long weekend which was friday 8am through to Monday 5 or 6pm without a break. It wasn't safe - i once gave a patient a bolus injection of diamorphine when it was meant to go through a pump. I also fell asleep standing up in theatre. But as you say I learnt a lot, I did a lot (although again often unsupervised) and had really good friends and bosses who I looked up to and a laugh. My life was mostly in the hospital. People went and had a drink when they were on call. It was a bit wild west. I was a big fan of the reduction in hours - how otherwise can you have a life and ensure patients are safe. I did think it would mean structured teaching and not the see one, do one teach one of my era. But it seems it has given way to no teaching and not seeing anything, let alone doing anything. It's such a shame that it hasn't reduced the time taken to be a consultant or, if what we read is to be believed, improved training. Anyone got any ideas what went wrong and how we can put it right?
20/9/2010 10:43 AM BST on bmj.com
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perpignan wrote:
What happened to the write up & comments on CFS/ME? Didn't like the comments I feel
21/9/2010 9:19 PM BST on bmj.com
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skyesteve wrote:
No Perpignan - just prefer reasoned discussion to megaphone diplomacy. But, hey, you could always start your own discussion! Indeed, would be good to see some new faces on Doc2doc discussing all sorts of things. So go for it. Cheers Skyesteve :-)
22/9/2010 9:00 AM BST on bmj.com
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lornap wrote:
definitely agree with you Steve. I have just finished my F1 year and often thought, even from my very junior perspective, that older consultants seem to have a broader, deeper understanding of diseases and the research that supports particular treatment pathways. I feel, to a certain extent at least, I was pushed through my first year of work in a flurry of tick box exercises with no one really checking what i'd actually learnt. I do appreciate that the NHS needs doctors to progress with pace in order to "get its money's worth". However, younger consultants' depth of knowledge has to decrease as a result. Considering the legally minded society we live in will this time saving strategy prove unwise further down the line? Not to mention the effects on quality of patient care.
24/9/2010 12:31 AM BST on bmj.com
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tnolan wrote:
Interesting blog. I qualified in 2006 and am now in my second year of gp training and so far my story is fairly similar. I will have done 6 years post graduate training by the time i'm qualified - that will be about 15,000 hours at about 50 hours a week. If experience and teaching have suffered with the 48 hour week it's easy to blame the reduction in hours, but I think we should look more closely at those whose responsibility it is to provide the training. To say that you can't fit this in to 48 hours a week seems a bit absurd!
24/9/2010 8:33 PM BST on bmj.com